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The monitor in the mirror is just another component that costs money that is now regulated to the center screen along with everything else. Combined with the other aforementioned functions and their components, manufacture and parts costs can go down. Quote:
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As opposed to a HVAC, NAV or Media component? Or the traditional instrument cluster? Or the wheel? That's what airbags are for. If anything, the simplicity of the cabin might make protecting the passengers from the ONE component easier. Or I could be wrong and it's a literal guillotine.
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Are you biased because you have a e93?
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The point is, the mirror is not a good analogy of how the (rest of the) Tesla Model 3 is less expensive to manufacture than the Chevy Bolt. Accounting tactics being what they are, I'm sure there is a way to model the production costs of the Model 3 to make it look profitable to build, but when all costs are thrown in I don't see how it would be. Musk is quite innovative, landing re-useable rocket stages is extremely impressive, yet making cars is a very well defined and mature art. Finding room in the manufacturing process to make it far less expensive to manufacture than other vehicles is seriously difficult.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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Tesla just announced that the Model 3 outsold 2, 3, 4, 5, X1 and X2 combined in June and it is true. That is an incredible achievement for an American brand to do that against a established brand like BMW. Actually the Model 3 performance is the only car I am seriously considering to trade my E90 M3, which was the last true BMW M car that BMW made before turning the M division into Profit division and placing M badges in terrible cars like the X1
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Have you seen up close the fit and finish of the Model 3? I have, and I would never pay their asking prices for a car that feels cheaply built and put on a hurry. That also extends to the Model S and X. That and many other aspects of the vehicle and company that bother me enough to stay well clear of them.
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I really don't get the comments about build quality. I am on my 2nd Tesla since 2015 and 4th BMW since 2012 and I don't feel the Teslas are of any lower quality. |
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Just had a model 3 in the shop. the center control display is very strange, i kept looking for a gauge cluster. the fit and finish wasn't horrible. definitely not the car for me, but like others have said, its a computer with 4 wheels for people who are glued to technology.
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Simple basic functions as the wipers, guess what? Another menu item to deal with. It also bothers me how the doors should only be open from the inside with an electric release switch. Only the 2 front doors have an emergency mechanical release handle but not the rears. How that passed under legislation and common sense is beyond me.
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Long time BMW fan. Sold my e92 in April when I took delivery of my Model 3. Thought i'd provide some color on my experience.
Still have an X1 in the garage as our main ICE car. Loved my e92 but it was time for something new. Just wasn't a fan of the current 3/5 series and have always been curious about the Model 3. I was one of those who stood in line March 2016 to put a deposit down just in case it turned out to be a decent car. The Model 3 is an amazing car. IMO, it is the best car you can buy in the price range as long as it fits your lifestyle. For me, I drive about 45 miles round trip for work everyday. I have a house where I had a NEMA 14-50 installed in my garage ($100). I leave my house every day with a full charge, I set mine to 80% so about 255 miles of charge. I usually get home with about 200-215 miles of charge left. It takes about a 1.5 hours to top off the battery at night. Recently took it on a short roadtrip, supercharging was quick and easy, my hotel surprisingly had a destination charger which allowed me to charge for free. The car drives well, sticks to the road, plenty of torque, great A/C (texas), great sound system and streaming sources. It's nice not having to stop at a gas station. My car has 2780 miles on it and charged 636 kwh to get those miles. If I had only charged at home at my electricity rate, i would've spent about $60.42 on those miles. My e92 would've cost me $437.85 in gas to go the same distance. We are looking at the iX3 or Model Y in a couple years to replace the X1. |
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I think the model X is the worst. I love the S tho.
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If BMW made a full EV 3 series I would buy it over a model 3 instantly cause BMW look better in my opinion but...BMW has no full EV that look appetizing so I will go Tesla if I get another car..
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