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04-24-2013, 11:50 AM | #133 | |
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No one would mistake that for a AMG, Corvette, Mustang etc. And what I posted previously, Eisenmann makes AMG exhausts (but I said it first LOL ) |
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Thanks bro! Several post members have heard my M5 before and can atest to how unique it sounds. I sure do love it too!
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I was just reinforcing Boss330's point.
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It's interesting how the M5 now suddenly has become an "inferior product" just beacuse BMW has released a performance exhaust...
So if they release a ///M front splitter, then the original front bumper was an inferior product? Other manufacturers also has "Performance Products" available for that small percentage of buyers who want a more hardcore car. AMG's Black Series models doesn't make the std AMG models an inferior product does it? I find it odd that the release of a performance product that is only interesting for a small part of the M5 owners could create such criticism of the original product... On a different note, there has been talk in the EU for a number of years of how the manufacturers are exploiting the loophole in noise legislation (under certain vehicle conditions in the test procedure there is no noise requirement). If the manufacturers are going to far on noise, the legislators in EU will come crushing down on that and impose stricter legislation closing such loopholes as the valved exhaust systems really are. Much like the voluntary 250km/h speed limit. Most cars will have the speed limit from the factory, thereby appeasing public opinion and politicians. A few will pay the extra money for the competition package, but officially the M5 has a 250 limit. Same thing with the noise/exhaust is my guess. As a major manufacturer BMW has many considerations to take, including public opinion and not least political considerations. |
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I criticize Porsche for their nickel and dining on the option sheet, HOWEVER they give the customer the choice to build their car however they want. BMW bundles too much now. I like a la carte!
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Oh yeah, and the 19" wheel option is inferior too. How dare BMW offer a 20" option at additional cost. Ceramic brakes? LOL.
IMO what is going on here is that in the past BMW offered everything for the purchase price. There weren't any upgrades. Everyone assumes that the very best is engineered into the cars, no margin for improvement. You wanted "performance" parts you went aftermarket which many argue goes against the M philosophy...it is perfect off the showroom floor. Fast forward and M is releasing performance parts at a cost (already a practice on the E9X M3). So, if you have a ///M car, you don't have the pinnacle of BMW engineering unless you pony up more cash. I'll argue that in the past, you didn't have the best engineering as there are compromises (noise, tire clearances, emissions regulations, etc.). This move acknowledges there is room for improvement. Through deduction, that also means the M5 without performance additions is mainstream, not the halo brand it once was. Times change...market forces. Maybe it is time for a "Black Series" M. I love capitalism and this drives competition. If BMW, M specifically, can get incremental revenue from their customers fantastic. If they offered a M-version of a "Black Series", I'd consider it. On the tuning side, they will need to stay one step ahead of the game to do better than BMW. Does anyone really think Joe average customer is going to know that this exhaust is made by Akrapovic? Hell no. If Akra is going to sell aftermarket on the F10 now (to enthusiasts who know the M performance exhaust is OEM Akra), it will need to be "better"; be it less costly, better sound, performance, etc. And that is a win.
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For me, this isn't a race-car. It's a comfortable car with a lot of the toys I want from a modern car, and more than enough power that I can mash the lol pedal and really go, when I want to. I live just outside a city center in what we call in England a semi-detached house - I share walls with neighbors. I leave for work around 6:00 in the morning, while those people are still in bed, and I have to roll through residential areas. I don't want the car to sound like an AMG, or a prancing horse ALL THE TIME. That said, when it gets going some audible hint that the engine is doing something is good, in order to avoid piling in to corners still doing 120. That's what the Active Sound is for.
My car, when it arrives in June, will not be Monte Carlo Blue or Frozen Black or Sakhir Orange. It won't be badged M5 on the back. It won't disturb my neighbors any more than it needs to - it's German engineering, in an understated British manner. I won't be buying the performance exhaust, because it doesn't build the car I'm after. It's all down to what you want to achieve and whether you want to modify your car, and as I see it this is just another aftermarket exhaust system for the list of choises. Buy it or don't, but don't whine that the option exists if you were going to buy an aftermarket exhaust anyway. You haven't lost choices, you've gained one. |
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04-24-2013, 04:08 PM | #154 | |
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Maybe it's also time for an ///M Supercar. Something to rival the Audi R8. They can call it the ///M8! As an enthusiast, all this Competition Package stuff and ///M Performance Exhaust is good for the average consumer, but means little to someone like me who knows that there are a certain number of people who are going to modify their ///M no matter if there's a Competition Package, or ///M Performance Exhaust on it or not. An enthusiast like me knows that there are people who are going to buy an LCI 2014 F10 M5 and order it with all of the options possible for a whopping $130,000+, and still put H&R lowering springs on it (which will negate the improved suspension), put Brembo big brake kits on it (even though they already had the ///M Carbon Ceramic Brakes on it), put an Eisenmann Race exhaust on it (even though it already has the ///M Performance Exhaust aka Akrapovic on it), and then turn around and sell it 6 months later. Besides, all of these little things that BMW is doing to upsell the M5 are almost irrelevant because they still haven't improved the one thing that really matters. Reduction in weight.
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