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I am speaking from experience going from an e90 M3 to a 1M. The throttle response is not quite as instantaneous but it should not to be confused as turbo lag. The difference is is unnoticeable unless you drive the cars back to back. Also, the power comes on so strong even as low as 1800rpm that it makes up for the fraction of a second you miss from not having individual throttle body response. I'm sure the M5 will have similar characteristics only multiplied!
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A lot of people complaining about lag are merely pretending to be "purist" thinking that it makes them look "real drivers." In reality, it's nothing more than a resistance to change.
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Why people are so concerned about lag?
I dont think it will be as noticeable with V8 and current turbo setup Keep in mind, it has Valvetronic now, it greatly improves throttle response too But then again, some people are never satisfied and always find things to complain about Last edited by AndreyATC; 10-27-2011 at 08:44 PM.. |
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Fifty years from now, people will still be talking about the S85 and the fact that M division put that engine into the car, this time M divison was forced by BMW to use turbo's. I know its faster but the Sound is such a let down!
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Each subsequent generation will in all respects be better than the previous
SUBJECT to external limitation -eco mandates. How can you not improve everything given 7yrs time and a lot of money? But the KINK is fuel efficiency, which forces the adoption of turbo (amongst other things) Turbo gives you alot of power, but you get lag. I have never even driven a turbo car and I can state that unequivocally. That is why its used 'naturally' only on certain applications where it makes sense, eg. 911 Turbo AWD. That most performance cars choose NA attest to the judgement on Power vs. Lag., (but again, Turbo has its uses, it depends what you use it for.) So what is really going in this thread, is the debate on 1.how much better the F10 M5 is than the E60 M5, and 2.V8TT or V10 On '1.', ofcourse a the newer car will be in every respect better (how can it not?) -BUT... '2' the issue of turbo or 2 more cylinders. If the M5 was an SUV, or had AWD, then turbo would be more 'suitable' -but this is entirely the whole point of the debate The issue is, is the M5 ('supposed' to be?) a sports car (-but not actually now, a "luxury cruiser") so NA is more suitable.. ? If you break it down like this, at least you know what you are arguing about, rather than the current "are the improvements ex. engine from e60 to f10 great enough to cancel out any negative comparison in the V8TT vs V10 debate" that is currently going on. |
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Sarcasm? There is lag, it has been reported in tests.
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That being said lag and throttle response absolutely matter. Excellent throttle response:
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Since the car has such good acoustic absorption there is not enough cabin noise. BMW psycho-acoustics folks are keenly aware of the importance of acoustics in the enjoyment and perception of a vehicles quality and even speed/performance. Thus with far too little good interior acoustic feedback they decided to pipe it in using the stereo. I can't deny the very pragmatic German engineering approach but this is really pushing the limit toward absurdity in my opinion. For those of you shaking your heads in disbelief, this is 100% true. No sarcasm or jokes here. Look, don't call me a basher, hater, etc. I love BMW M and have owned many. I'd probably even have the M5 near the top of my list if I wanted to sheel out that kind of green. I simply have some legitimate gripes with some of their product direction.
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N/A engines are distinctively faster in throttle response. I came from E39 M5 and E46 M3 to 335i and, while 335i is fast and lag free, I often do not pass on tight squeeze spots on the highway because I am not confident how long will it take for the car to react. With E46 on the highway it was easy. Drop to 3rd at 5k and gun it. Response was immediate. N54 does not have a lag, but it certainly isn't as responsive. |
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So, why is the 0-60 (no rollout) 3.7 sec. and the 5 mph roll out 4.6 sec? This is interesting and tells me that the launch control is superb.
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I just ordered a 2012 CTS-V Coupe to give BMW a year or so to work out new model bugs. On paper they should be about the same 0-60 and quarter mile. I expect transmission and gearing are the difference, since the M is crazy fast. Very impressive BMW!!!!!!.....Steve
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I may not have all of the subtleties correct, however neither do you. It is not "piping" it in in any traditional sense. The audio is being created by the cars stereo system, amplified and through the speakers. No matter how you slice it, based on the cars actual engine or exhaust acoustics or not, this is FAKE, FAKE, FAKE.
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Your initial response and "disagreement" was directed squarely at my real life experience, going from a NA S65 to the TT 1M. Since no one here(have you?) has actually driven the new M5 I thought I would share my opinion on the matter.(NA vs TT)
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