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The reason a true sequential manual has no automatic mode is that this type of transmission is 100% mechanical and, in classic form anyway, needs no ECU or computer of any kind to control the shift process. With a sequential manual, the shift forks are actually controlled by a cork-screw-like rotating shaft that is specially designed to snap them into place in succession (either up or down depending on the direction of the rotation). Tradionally, you rotated the shaft with a ratcheting mechanism (like a motorcycle might still have today), and also a clutch pedal was still necessary since the clutch did operate automatically either. Nowadays they can be shifted via levers and the clutch is often times automatically openned and closed. But the concept remains the same - the transmission can only be shifted sequentially. |
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Call it a semi-automatic or HELL I don't care what you call it (call it an auto), but I digress... I guess this must have been why I was confused by the first post in the first place and/or trhe artical I did not read. So what you are saying is that everyone is concerned because the M5 is rumored to possibly only be offered with DCT (and that is all the artical was talking about)? I figured the artical was talking about an auto gearbox WITH a torque converter like the 8-speed auto with paddles currently offered in the F10 5-series. Well no worries, A DCT Automatic (as you call it) or even an SMG Automatic (as you call it), will be a fine transmission for the new M5, IMO. ///Cheers |
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03-01-2011, 08:53 AM | #180 |
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And I stopped reading right there, bud. No offense of course, I just know you are all wrong here, so there's no point in going further and nothing more to discuss on that topic. I've gotten PM's thanking me for keeping it real with my posts in this thread, so I'll continue to do so, and you and I will just have to agree to disagree.
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03-01-2011, 09:31 AM | #181 |
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Why the FUCK some of you are still moaning about automatic gearbox, if the new M5 has a DCT gearbox?
Oh haven't you heard? The new M5 is ready! It's ready and it has a DCT gearbox. Now tell that to those twats from Motor Trend, because they're full of schiss. |
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03-01-2011, 09:48 AM | #182 |
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This thread should be closed....its pretty much been confirmed that it will have DCT
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03-01-2011, 10:11 AM | #183 | |
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Yes, Motortrend's original diatribe about why the M5 will supposedly get the 8 speed ZF slushbox instead of the 7 speed Getrag DCT (or some further evolution thereof) was a big fat load of B.S. to begin with. |
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DCT is NOT an Automatic, "Bud". I really think you are missing the point and only adding confusion by calling a DCT an automatic transmission when it is definately not. Let me go back and read it... (Yip, they do not classify DCT as an automatic in the article and that is CLEAR). THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE is that only an Automatic AND NOT A NON-AUTOMATIC such as DCT will be offered (wheter it is a bogus article or not is another story). Keep, keeping it real, "Bud"... Quote:
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03-01-2011, 01:32 PM | #185 | |
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Hello again. Like I said earlier I am not going to argue it with you. I give you an "A" for effort though. You are a persistent little guy aren't ya?
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That said, in fact, the point of the article is that neither a manual transmission nor a DCT transmission will be used in the next M5. This upset both folks who prefer manual transmissions over automatic transmissions, and those who perfer DCT transmissions over the traditional planetary and torque converter type. So then, very few people were ultimately pleased by the premonitions that the MT writer made. Thankfully though, the bulk of the evidence has since suggested that the "no DCT" part is BS. For the manual folks though, it looks like they are indeed out of luck. Hey, no need to post up my old posts again, by the way. I remember what I said and anyone who does not can easily go back through the thread. Speaking of that, thanks for finally reading the entire thread though - it helps to know you understand the history of the discussion. Maybe next time you can read the whole thing first instead of just coming in after 100 posts with no new information. Just a thought. |
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Some OT posts/arguments have been deleted. Let's please try to stay on topic now.
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03-09-2011, 07:53 PM | #189 |
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F10 M5 auto only
Doubt if the AUTOMATIC is only transmission offered on the M5 because F10 550i, Sport, and M5 Sport pkgs all come standard as MANUAL not automatic. You only get the auto if you select that option. If BMW knows hard core performance owners prefer standard transmissions, why would BMW offer its regular 5 series with standard transmissions and not do the same for the next M5?
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03-15-2011, 01:49 AM | #190 |
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About 18 months ago, I had leisurely dinner with a senior German engineering team from BMW. After a few glasse of wine and as an owner of an e34, e39 (sold), and e60 M5s, I pointedly asked them about the F10 M5 and especially as to whether it would include a DCT. They stated quite emphatically that it would be have a new 8-speed automatic because no other transmission could handle the torque of the new motor while delivering dramaticially faster shift times than the e60's notoriously slow SMG. I shook my head in disbelief over the transmission choice, but they went on to say the new automatic is faster than any DCT available and is more than capable of handling the torque.
They went on to say they did not understand why U.S. owners wanted manual transmissions so badly given it meant giving up a gear or two. Having worked hard, in their opinion, to bring F1 technology (SMG) to the M product family, they were dumbfounded that only in the U.S. were their efforts so completely unappreciated. They claimed that the e60's manual was a U.S.-only option intended to satisfy the Luddites (my word) in North America. I frankly don't know what to make of the "DCT confirmed" news item given how clearly my BMW engineering friends stated that the new M5 would have an 8-speed automatic, but I have to admit that in the end I'm only interested in how many gears and how fast I can change from one to another. If eight forward automatic gears get me where I'm going faster and more efficiently, then I'm all for it, as long as I get to decide when to change from one to another. How it's done is really no concern of mine. |
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Sometimes things change for one reason on other . The fact that a pre-production car having a DCT also doesn't mean the production vehicle definitely will.
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