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01-21-2024, 08:12 PM | #177 | |
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Outside the US, like in the EU, I'd imagine they will drop off pretty heavily in value. As most places in the EU, from my understanding, charge higher taxes for ICE cars annually and I'd imagine those might increase. In the US, I expect ICE cars will have an initial bump in value then they'll drop off pretty quick. With the exception being collector worthy vehicles and perhaps sporty drive vehicles. It isn't clear though that the ICE cars of today will be all that desired by the crowd who wants ICE in 2035 or 2040. Where the cars ICE cars right now have drive by wire and increasingly no manual transmissions and other lack more driver engagement focused features. I see the younger buyer crowd sticking to their love for EVs especially as "always on" cars become even more feature complete. 2035 is still over a decade out |
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You are grossly misinformed about just how much your world is shaped for you--and not by market forces, but rather by those who own the media and create the markets when they decide they want to create markets.
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You think in the first third of the twentieth century the media was driving the infant and growing automobile industry? You’re very funny. And you were probably born in the 90s or 2000s.
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Yep, it’s a newspaper printing press. Did you grow up reading the newspaper every day?
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No, actually it’s not. It’s a photo of a newspaper printing press and that’s all it is.
Did you grow up reading the newspaper? I’m guessing you didn’t since you didn’t answer “yes” and based on a few other things you’ve posted that give clues to your age. Of course, since you didn’t answer I don’t know and my guess could be wrong. I did grow up reading the newspaper. Every single morning of the week. I assure you the news media was an entirely different animal back then than it is today. Today’s news media and yesterday’s news media have almost nothing in common.
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Please explain how you think from 1900-ish - 1940-ish the media drove the public’s embrace of motorized transportation with the internal combustion engine and how the public would have reacted to this new method of transportation in the absence of the media influencing them. I’m very interested to hear your thoughts on that.
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Yes, we know that media / journalism (whatever part of that exists that) today is not what it used to be. The reason I posted a photo of a printing press is because thats what media was during the first one third of the twentieth century, including magazines, and the radio. Last edited by GinTonic; 01-24-2024 at 10:00 PM.. |
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In the absence of such means of mass communication, the public would have had a much slower uptake rate, but it is difficult to say more, since this did not happen. These days things are far more advanced, since both advertising and propaganda were mastered by Edward Bernays, who drove the new media model. That said, the means by which the public are influenced to act are not so different; the major difference today is that the psychological aspects of creating and maintaining consent have been nearly perfected. |
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It’s when people use every excuse and not don’t use logic, realize progress doesn’t cater to the whims of a small fraction of enthusiasts and car lovers, that we move forward for the greater good, not to appease a minute segment. Nothing to do with being a Republican or Democrat, left or right leaning, it’s about reducing our carbon footprint, lowering pollution and saving the planet we all share. EV government mandates worldwide aren’t political, they are efforts in earnest to reduce the damage made during the industrial age to current day by coal production and the broad use of ICEs. It is time to put politics aside and realize the world doesn’t revolve around the needs of the less than 1%. We have bigger problems to worry about than losing the feel, smells and roaring sounds of an ICE engine. Our planet. Each generation keeps passing the baton, each keeps saying ICE’s haven’t contributed to global warming, etc.. The facts, science says otherwise. The recent temperature changes worldwide are the planet telling us to wake the freak up. Some just want to live in the past, but Progress is a stubborn thing; unstoppable and unavoidable.
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It isn't about the greater good. Nor is it progress. Nor does the science say what you claim; select segments of "the science" say this, while the others are silenced. And, of course, science is a work in progress. When one claims the science is settled, one demonstrates that one has no understanding of the scientific method or science. |
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Putting ICE on ice. Sad.
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^Very interesting report. Norway electricty is mostly produced via Hydropower and a small sliver via wind power. Seems to be a win-win for them.
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