PLACING ORDER ON FRIDAY - DCT or Manual?

RPiM5 · 12-17-2015, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 6spdterror

Ive owned 4 manual cars before my M5 and there is no doubt the DCT was made for this car! Drove both and decided to go DCT.

Agreed. Every single car I have ever owned has been a manual with the exception of the E60 M5 and the F10 M5. I'm seriously considering getting for my next car an E39 M5 or a 6MT E60 M5 or 6MT E63 M6. I was highly considering something fun and exotic and simple next such as even a lowly Audi R8 4.2L 6MT, but I still think they are pretty overpriced. Either way my next car is going to be manual and have an NA engine. Will probably keep the F10 M5 for the long haul though.

shellbmb · 01-01-2016, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer6

The manual was never designed for the F10 as it was an after thought because some die hards pushed it. I would be hesitant as you keep you cars parts will be scarce, and resale sucks because they are in low demand. I traded my 991S MT for my GT3 optioned well it sat on the lot for about 4 months. I got a good trade dealer hated the paper weight that sat on the lot, and it only had 4500 miles on it.

What did you think of the 991 7mt? I am looking for a 991 GTS as a third car and am considering the 7mt. Dealer is trying to push me into a PDK as the vast majority are now PDK and that's all he has right now. Similar to yours, they had a 7mt 991 S that sat for a while on the lot. Ironically enough, the day I go to look at it someone bought it. Drove a GTS with the 7mt and it just made me smile, but not optioned how I would like. No doubt the PDK is a superior tranny and lodes of fun in its own right, but this will not be a track car and mainly used for fun driving. I love the DCT in my M5, but it's my daily driver.

So 7mt? Or PDK, sport chrono and sport design steering wheel? I hate the paddles on the multifunction wheel.

lemetier · 01-01-2016, 03:18 PM

I've had all generations of M5 also and my E60 was a 6MT. Having finally given in to DCT with my F10, I've come to accept the minute "disconnection" with it. It's vastly better than the Porsche double clutch (I couldn't stand the creep from a stand still).

If this car is to just continue on with the generations and not be a daily driver, go 6MT. If it will be frequently used, DCT. Had this been asked about the M6 Gran Coupe, 6MT all the way simply for the fact it will be the last mid/large Bimmer with MT (and shall be my next order).

NlckyBlack · 01-01-2016, 04:08 PM

DCT is awesome

SFT33 · 01-01-2016, 04:28 PM

I actually had the opportunity to drive both back to back today. Obviously - there is no right or wrong answer - the car is pretty astounding either way. My thoughts:

The DCT transmission is vastly superior in terms of extracting every ounce of performance out of the car. You just can't keep the manual on power the way you can with the DCT. It is clearly a significant part of the engineers design of the car.

Having said that - there is something incredibly fun about working a manual transmission that can't be matched by the DCT. Dropping down a gear or two on exit ramp and letting the clutch out is glorious. 6 speed wins here.

The issues with the 6 speed (imho) are the clutch is too light with a weird take up - not what I was expecting from a performance car. My friend's Jeep clutch is firmer. Turbo lag was evident with 6 - not a deal breaker - but noticeable. I could live with it. The gear spacing was a bit odd too - needs a 7th gear.

6 speed quieter? Did not notice a lot of exhaust burps.

Each of the two transmissions dramatically transform the character of the car. I'd give the nod to the DCT because I think it is an important piece to the entire package. The 6 speed is fun but seems to neuter the car a bit. Liked them both - but I think the DCT is the better option for me. I could feel differently tomorrow though.😏

NightM · 01-01-2016, 09:32 PM

Really
Depends on what you want to do with your Soon-to-be-M5
If your keeping it stock maybe a dct is better for
You
But if you are slowly modding it to a high power car and like to have control over onyour car and not over a
Silly computer i would advise a manual car and not have Lazy legs. Lol,
Indeed manual can be slow from a roll race but if you shift fast enough it can be actually faster than dct,
You do feel a littlw boost lag on stock car
Personally I dont feel any boost lag now that i have modded the car minor tweak and tunes can get rid of that lag with proper tuning.
i personally have no regrets on a manual car. Love the way it sounds,controls,and reacts to my shifting.
There is no Wrong choice inbuying a dct or manual it will just be what suits your needs.

Bimmer6 · 01-01-2016, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shellbmb

What did you think of the 991 7mt? I am looking for a 991 GTS as a third car and am considering the 7mt. Dealer is trying to push me into a PDK as the vast majority are now PDK and that's all he has right now. Similar to yours, they had a 7mt 991 S that sat for a while on the lot. Ironically enough, the day I go to look at it someone bought it. Drove a GTS with the 7mt and it just made me smile, but not optioned how I would like. No doubt the PDK is a superior tranny and lodes of fun in its own right, but this will not be a track car and mainly used for fun driving. I love the DCT in my M5, but it's my daily driver.

So 7mt? Or PDK, sport chrono and sport design steering wheel? I hate the paddles on the multifunction wheel.

I really enjoyed the 7 spend manual, and I have never driven the GT3 PDK they are two different gear boxes. However, I hear the GTS is pretty darn good. GTS is borderline in the GT3 price range of you can find one? When got the 991S it was a third, and that was my reasoning for the 7 speed. Great tranny in the manual, but I love the PDK in the GT3 it's so damn fast if you blink you miss the shift. Good luck.

nynd · 01-02-2016, 10:21 AM

DCT as the Manual was designed more for the 5 series (550 I think) and not for the M5. So - for North American customers only who wanted a manual - this was deemed to be fine.

NightM · 01-03-2016, 04:10 PM

Just a sample dct vs manual.
More fun still. I pulled on top of 3rd

https://instagram.com/p/6LfT6iJm_u/

https://instagram.com/p/6M_ILxJm7b/

Lalit@autocouture · 01-04-2016, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Really
Depends on what you want to do with your Soon-to-be-M5
If your keeping it stock maybe a dct is better for
You
But if you are slowly modding it to a high power car and like to have control over onyour car and not over a
Silly computer i would advise a manual car and not have Lazy legs. Lol,
Indeed manual can be slow from a roll race but if you shift fast enough it can be actually faster than dct,
You do feel a littlw boost lag on stock car
Personally I dont feel any boost lag now that i have modded the car minor tweak and tunes can get rid of that lag with proper tuning.
i personally have no regrets on a manual car. Love the way it sounds,controls,and reacts to my shifting.
There is no Wrong choice inbuying a dct or manual it will just be what suits your needs.

0% chance buddy, doesn't matter whose driving the car. Nor will the 6MT hold boost through shifts like a DCT can.

Quote:

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Just a sample dct vs manual.
More fun still. I pulled on top of 3rd

https://instagram.com/p/6LfT6iJm_u/

https://instagram.com/p/6M_ILxJm7b/

One car is more modified than the other, not really a true tell. A stock for stock race would be interesting given the difference in gearing between the two transmissions.

NightM · 01-04-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalit@AUTOcouture

0% chance buddy, doesn't matter whose driving the car. Nor will the 6MT hold boost through shifts like a DCT can.

One car is more modified than the other, not really a true tell. A stock for stock race would be interesting given the difference in gearing between the two transmissions.

Video just proved it..we both had same exact mods when we did this pull

Manual
Full 3' Dp-Exhaust
JB BMS
drop in filters

DCT
RPI DP
Turner Exhaust
DCT
filters

SFT33 · 01-05-2016, 06:54 AM

Just sayin

Lalit@autocouture · 01-05-2016, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Video just proved it..we both had same exact mods when we did this pull

Manual
Full 3' Dp-Exhaust
JB BMS
drop in filters

DCT
RPI DP
Turner Exhaust
DCT
filters

Perhaps you were at a higher boost?

irishbimmer · 01-11-2016, 10:57 PM

To be honest, I think this car is too big and heavy for the manual-it's personality also needs the rapid shifting of the DCT. Not a sports car but a straight ahead torque monster. I can't weight for reduced wait.

Schweitzer · 01-11-2016, 11:25 PM

Warm and fuzzy thread here for the DCT. I've been enjoying the heck out of mine as well.

BMW335iOn18s · 01-12-2016, 11:04 AM

I know i drive a lowly 2 series, but I thought i'd chime in. This will be your last opportunity to purchase a manual transmission M5, brand new, most likely forever. From here on out, you'll have to buy some one elses abused problem.

Also, incase some of you didn't know, the E39 M5 used the same transmission as the 540 and the E60 M5 used the same transmission as the 550i. So there's nothing new in that regard. The E39 technically was the least different from the highest non-M 5 series available, much like the F10 is today, and yet it's everybodies favorite M5. Not the S38 E28/E34. Just some food for thought.

Igor_M5 · 01-16-2016, 09:30 PM

Only time i'll ever find myself in a DCT ///M is if one day, BMW put them in X#M models, or made an F11 M5.

Drove too many DCT M's (never owned), own a MT M (which feels like garbage compared to other MT M5's), still love the 6MT in this car.

Bluehorseshoe · 01-16-2016, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Igor@ONEighty

Only time i'll ever find myself in a DCT ///M is if one day, BMW put them in X#M models, or made an F11 M5.

Drove too many DCT M's (never owned), own a MT M (which feels like garbage compared to other MT M5's), still love the 6MT in this car.

You'd go DCT if F11 M5, I don't get it?

What about G M5? I still don't believe they won't offer a manual.

Alpine300zhp · 01-17-2016, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalit@AUTOcouture

DCT all the way, from a genuine 6MT enthusiast.

Yep. I drove a 6MT M5 and hated it for the same reasons I hated my F10 535. I was a diehard 6MT guy up until my last 6MT in the 2011 535. Never again will I buy a 6MT BMW because the joy in them no longer exists.

shellbmb · 01-17-2016, 11:03 AM

Funny as there is a similar thread over on the Rennlist 911 forum.

This will be a moot point in the likely near future as manuals are becoming very rare and maybe not even an option on future M5's. And with hybrid technology evolving, transmissions will be a thing of the past.

I drove a manual 991 GTS recently and it was a pure joy to drive. Then drove a PDK and was kind of bored. I actually prefer how the DCT behaves versus the PDK.

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lemetier Plenipotentiary 2614 Rep 3,046 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Location iTrader: (0)	I've had all generations of M5 also and my E60 was a 6MT. Having finally given in to DCT with my F10, I've come to accept the minute "disconnection" with it. It's vastly better than the Porsche double clutch (I couldn't stand the creep from a stand still). If this car is to just continue on with the generations and not be a daily driver, go 6MT. If it will be frequently used, DCT. Had this been asked about the M6 Gran Coupe, 6MT all the way simply for the fact it will be the last mid/large Bimmer with MT (and shall be my next order).
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01-01-2016, 04:28 PM	#27
SFT33 Lieutenant 275 Rep 410 Posts Drives: E28, E34, E60 & F10 M5s Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Annapolis, MD iTrader: (0)	I actually had the opportunity to drive both back to back today. Obviously - there is no right or wrong answer - the car is pretty astounding either way. My thoughts: The DCT transmission is vastly superior in terms of extracting every ounce of performance out of the car. You just can't keep the manual on power the way you can with the DCT. It is clearly a significant part of the engineers design of the car. Having said that - there is something incredibly fun about working a manual transmission that can't be matched by the DCT. Dropping down a gear or two on exit ramp and letting the clutch out is glorious. 6 speed wins here. The issues with the 6 speed (imho) are the clutch is too light with a weird take up - not what I was expecting from a performance car. My friend's Jeep clutch is firmer. Turbo lag was evident with 6 - not a deal breaker - but noticeable. I could live with it. The gear spacing was a bit odd too - needs a 7th gear. 6 speed quieter? Did not notice a lot of exhaust burps. Each of the two transmissions dramatically transform the character of the car. I'd give the nod to the DCT because I think it is an important piece to the entire package. The 6 speed is fun but seems to neuter the car a bit. Liked them both - but I think the DCT is the better option for me. I could feel differently tomorrow though.😏
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01-01-2016, 09:32 PM	#28
NightM Lieutenant Colonel 450 Rep 1,519 Posts Drives: Bmw Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	Really Depends on what you want to do with your Soon-to-be-M5 If your keeping it stock maybe a dct is better for You But if you are slowly modding it to a high power car and like to have control over onyour car and not over a Silly computer i would advise a manual car and not have Lazy legs. Lol, Indeed manual can be slow from a roll race but if you shift fast enough it can be actually faster than dct, You do feel a littlw boost lag on stock car Personally I dont feel any boost lag now that i have modded the car minor tweak and tunes can get rid of that lag with proper tuning. i personally have no regrets on a manual car. Love the way it sounds,controls,and reacts to my shifting. There is no Wrong choice inbuying a dct or manual it will just be what suits your needs.
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01-02-2016, 10:21 AM	#30
nynd Captain 175 Rep 604 Posts Drives: X7 M8 Convert Join Date: May 2012 Location: Canada (Toronto) iTrader: (3)	DCT as the Manual was designed more for the 5 series (550 I think) and not for the M5. So - for North American customers only who wanted a manual - this was deemed to be fine.
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01-03-2016, 04:10 PM	#31
NightM Lieutenant Colonel 450 Rep 1,519 Posts Drives: Bmw Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	Just a sample dct vs manual. More fun still. I pulled on top of 3rd https://instagram.com/p/6LfT6iJm_u/ https://instagram.com/p/6M_ILxJm7b/
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01-05-2016, 06:54 AM	#34
SFT33 Lieutenant 275 Rep 410 Posts Drives: E28, E34, E60 & F10 M5s Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Annapolis, MD iTrader: (0)	There is no way a manual beats a DCT in a drag race Just sayin __________________ 22 BMW F90 M5, 21 MERCEDES E63S WAGON, 18 BMW R9T RACER,16 BMW F10 M5, 09 BMW HP2 SPORT, 06 BMW E60 M5, 91 BMW E34 M5, 88 BMW E28 M5
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irishbimmer Banned 1139 Rep 1,561 Posts Drives: Silverstone M6 CP, Bulldozer, Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (0)	To be honest, I think this car is too big and heavy for the manual-it's personality also needs the rapid shifting of the DCT. Not a sports car but a straight ahead torque monster. I can't weight for reduced wait.
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Schweitzer Lieutenant 46 Rep 415 Posts Drives: 2015 M5 CP Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Downtown Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2007 335i Coupe [0.00]	Warm and fuzzy thread here for the DCT. I've been enjoying the heck out of mine as well.
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01-12-2016, 11:04 AM	#38
BMW335iOn18s Resident BMW Fanboy 259 Rep 866 Posts Drives: F82 CS SMB Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA iTrader: (0)	I know i drive a lowly 2 series, but I thought i'd chime in. This will be your last opportunity to purchase a manual transmission M5, brand new, most likely forever. From here on out, you'll have to buy some one elses abused problem. Also, incase some of you didn't know, the E39 M5 used the same transmission as the 540 and the E60 M5 used the same transmission as the 550i. So there's nothing new in that regard. The E39 technically was the least different from the highest non-M 5 series available, much like the F10 is today, and yet it's everybodies favorite M5. Not the S38 E28/E34. Just some food for thought. __________________ Current: '20 F82 M4cs SMB / '13 640i M-Sport Carbon Black Past: F30 330xi Luxury Line / F22 M235i 6MT / E92 335i / E46 330ci / E36 328i 5MT
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Igor_M5 2143 Rep 1,835 Posts Drives: Many, BMW. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New York City iTrader: (10) Garage List 2007;2013 E91 335is [10.00]	Only time i'll ever find myself in a DCT ///M is if one day, BMW put them in X#M models, or made an F11 M5. Drove too many DCT M's (never owned), own a MT M (which feels like garbage compared to other MT M5's), still love the 6MT in this car.
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01-17-2016, 11:03 AM	#42
shellbmb Lieutenant 199 Rep 572 Posts Drives: 2022 F90 M5C Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: ATX iTrader: (0)	Funny as there is a similar thread over on the Rennlist 911 forum. This will be a moot point in the likely near future as manuals are becoming very rare and maybe not even an option on future M5's. And with hybrid technology evolving, transmissions will be a thing of the past. I drove a manual 991 GTS recently and it was a pure joy to drive. Then drove a PDK and was kind of bored. I actually prefer how the DCT behaves versus the PDK.
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