Dinan Stage 1 CP - JB4?

[RickyS63tu]

Well Guys Its That Time For A Tune I Guess lol just wanted two know is it better two save money or warranty i mean 2900$ is a lilttie steep but so is a 120k car lol i mean 695hp 644 lb-ft Tq is pretty impressive but does it really perform? the jb4 is probley the faster cheaper and easier way out but let me know what yous think thanks!
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F10 M5 LCI Comp Pack

[SteveC]

The 2015 M5 CP is already close to its traction limits in the first 4 gears when throttle is used conservatively. Give the car full gas in manual on dry tarmac and you'll still see traction control flashing in 4th

With 575 bhp, the car's 0-60 time could be in three point nine something bracket with better traction, for example awd. Increasing power with a tune will increase power but in all likelihood decrease drivability, where traction control is intervening more often and cornering grip under power becomes an issue. IMO its pointless having more power if the majority of it is unusable or makes the car unstable.

With turbo engines its fairly easy to get more power....simply keeping the wastegates shut longer will do the trick. Most tuners do nothing about the extra heat this generates. But what's the point of 695hp 644 lb-ft Tq when all it does is spin up the wheels or trigger TC earlier and in higher gears? Tuning will simply render full or near full throttle unusable in the first 4 gears. So where does such a tune offer most benefit? Typically for wide throttle openings in 5th, 6th and 7th gears, where gear ratios will divide back wheel torque to the point the rear tyres can manage to maintain traction. The car will offer spectacular acceleration above 100 mph....but will also put you in jail anytime you're caught using it.

Of course there's always the drag strip.

[Blkthght]

Steve,

Excellent answer. Thank you for that.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by SteveC

The 2015 M5 CP is already close to its traction limits in the first 4 gears when throttle is used conservatively. Give the car full gas in manual on dry tarmac and you'll still see traction control flashing in 4th

With 575 bhp, the car's 0-60 time could be in three point nine something bracket with better traction, for example awd. Increasing power with a tune will increase power but in all likelihood decrease drivability, where traction control is intervening more often and cornering grip under power becomes an issue. IMO its pointless having more power if the majority of it is unusable or makes the car unstable.

With turbo engines its fairly easy to get more power....simply keeping the wastegates shut longer will do the trick. Most tuners do nothing about the extra heat this generates. But what's the point of 695hp 644 lb-ft Tq when all it does is spin up the wheels or trigger TC earlier and in higher gears? Tuning will simply render full or near full throttle unusable in the first 4 gears. So where does such a tune offer most benefit? Typically for wide throttle openings in 5th, 6th and 7th gears, where gear ratios will divide back wheel torque to the point the rear tyres can manage to maintain traction. The car will offer spectacular acceleration above 100 mph....but will also put you in jail anytime you're caught using it.

Of course there's always the drag strip.

3.7 you mean (non CP) ?

[Dansarkis]

Originally Posted by SteveC

The 2015 M5 CP is already close to its traction limits in the first 4 gears when throttle is used conservatively. Give the car full gas in manual on dry tarmac and you'll still see traction control flashing in 4th

With 575 bhp, the car's 0-60 time could be in three point nine something bracket with better traction, for example awd. Increasing power with a tune will increase power but in all likelihood decrease drivability, where traction control is intervening more often and cornering grip under power becomes an issue. IMO its pointless having more power if the majority of it is unusable or makes the car unstable.

With turbo engines its fairly easy to get more power....simply keeping the wastegates shut longer will do the trick. Most tuners do nothing about the extra heat this generates. But what's the point of 695hp 644 lb-ft Tq when all it does is spin up the wheels or trigger TC earlier and in higher gears? Tuning will simply render full or near full throttle unusable in the first 4 gears. So where does such a tune offer most benefit? Typically for wide throttle openings in 5th, 6th and 7th gears, where gear ratios will divide back wheel torque to the point the rear tyres can manage to maintain traction. The car will offer spectacular acceleration above 100 mph....but will also put you in jail anytime you're caught using it.

Of course there's always the drag strip.

You need the tune to remove the limiter to get away from the cops!! 167 may not get the job done. I have a full P1 Dinan on its way, should be done next week. I will let you know how it goes.

[Bönz]

You cannot outrun radio waves.

[Dansarkis]

Originally Posted by Bönz

You cannot outrun radio waves.

Thats what my father keeps telling me! Thats true, to a point...
My county instituted a no chase policy a few years ago, which is nice.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by RickyS63tu

Well Guys Its That Time For A Tune I Guess lol just wanted two know is it better two save money or warranty i mean 2900$ is a lilttie steep but so is a 120k car lol i mean 695hp 644 lb-ft Tq is pretty impressive but does it really perform? the jb4 is probley the faster cheaper and easier way out but let me know what yous think thanks!
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F10 M5 LCI Comp Pack

Jb4 will give you more power, more features, unlimited free support and upgrade and of course save you a lot of money

It is offered with 14 days money back guarantee in case you did not like it.

The only thing that Dinan offers over JB4 is the Dinan warranty. That being said i have never heard of anyone damaging their engine due to any of these 2 tunes.

I would just grab a stage 1 JB for really good performance gains and an unbeatable price

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by Dansarkis

Thats what my father keeps telling me! Thats true, to a point...
My county instituted a no chase policy a few years ago, which is nice.

Did they by any chance mention what they're considering replacing it with?

[Dansarkis]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Did they by any chance mention what they're considering replacing it with?

BAHAHAHA Awesome

[Dansarkis]

It's happening!!!

[Mgone]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Did they by any chance mention what they're considering replacing it with?

Jb for me. Gives you that FIGHTER JET feeling

[Dansarkis]

Originally Posted by Mgone

Jb for me. Gives you that FIGHTER JET feeling

Too cool!! LOL

[SteveC]

Wow, that video literally made my toes curl! Where was it filmed that all the car are in the outside lanes and you overtake on the inside?

I must say that you have a great deal of trust in those other drivers.

On the other hand I can see where a tune would be useful in distorting the space/time continuum in order to see the other driver cross into your lane then pass him before he does.

[Dansarkis]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Wow, that video literally made my toes curl! Where was it filmed that all the car are in the outside lanes and you overtake on the inside?

I must say that you have a great deal of trust in those other drivers.

On the other hand I can see where a tune would be useful in distorting the space/time continuum in order to see the other driver cross into your lane then pass him before he does.

Pretty much anywhere in America....

[Mgone]

Lol

[Dansarkis]

Tease from the shop today...

[bmellion]

The Dinan tune transforms the M5. Yes..It can engage TC, but it's the BEST $3000 I ever spent on my 2014 CP. From a rolling start, I can destroy anything that comes my way, and with a full eisenmann race, it's the best sounding thing on the road. People who don't have the Dinantronics should not be commenting here! Get it and don't look back. The power is linear and fucking insane!

[bm5bullit]

Congrats on your decision. The tune will be the last of my major mods and I need to put it to the ground. Tires and traction are now a big problem. But, for you and me a good one.

[A Frankfurt]

The JB tune Vs Dinan/any other tune is a biased opinion.
I have ran both and installed plenty of both setups including other brands.
The JB is what it is. A inexpensive way to develop power.
What people don't mention are the issues that you could experience ex. flat spots while driving, intermittent CEL etc..
These issues could be cause by any of the piggy back units on the market, due to its nature of manipulating an engine sensor and the vehicles computer compensating for what is happening.
There are pros and cons to each.
Myself and my clients experiences are that the Dinan is the most refined setup available.
The way the engine and transmission performs with Dinantronic is a more efficient setup for sure.

[lfelunden]

Originally Posted by Autohaus Frankfurt

The JB tune Vs Dinan/any other tune is a biased opinion.
I have ran both and installed plenty of both setups including other brands.
The JB is what it is. A inexpensive way to develop power.
What people don't mention are the issues that you could experience ex. flat spots while driving, intermittent CEL etc..
These issues could be cause by any of the piggy back units on the market, due to its nature of manipulating an engine sensor and the vehicles computer compensating for what is happening.
There are pros and cons to each.
Myself and my clients experiences are that the Dinan is the most refined setup available.
The way the engine and transmission performs with Dinantronic is a more efficient setup for sure.

Same story with g-power and most flash tunes!

[Dansarkis]

I am in love