Gear Rod 5-7 The Achilles Heal

schnell1982 · 09-04-2018, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelpro

Another used mechatronic
Basket, clutches
But control for mechatronic with ews
We cant use it
Another transmission too

You are spending a lot of money
With the mechatronics did you find any build-up on the areas where the sensors read ?
I have removed the mechantronic and posted some pics to show the areas that need to be cleaned.

schnell1982 · 09-04-2018, 03:16 PM

I have removed the mechatronics unit.
There is heavy build-up at the sensor pickup locations.
I am going to clean these areas and re-install the unit.
There is a complete seal and bolt kit that needs to be used in this service repair.
I'll update as I move forward.

allmotor_2000 · 09-04-2018, 04:02 PM

When this happened to me the only fix was a different DCT and I swapped in my TCU to keep the VIN aligned

wheelpro · 09-04-2018, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

When this happened to me the only fix was a different DCT and I swapped in my TCU to keep the VIN aligned

May be my tcu internal fault ??
And if that happened
How can i use another donor one
With isn reset

schnell1982 · 09-04-2018, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

When this happened to me the only fix was a different DCT and I swapped in my TCU to keep the VIN aligned

I have access to services that can re-write the control unit and I can then program it to this VIN
When you say you had this issue.
Did you have material present in the oil as well ?
or build up material at the position sensor locations ?

schnell1982 · 09-04-2018, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

May be my tcu internal fault ??
And if that happened
How can i use another donor one
With isn reset

You'll need access to someone with a factory tool "E-SYS" that can program control units. It is possible to re-code the control unit.
Not many places have experience, but they are out there

schnell1982 · 09-04-2018, 05:37 PM

Forgot to upload this pic as well.
This sensor pickup location is attached to the physical gear itself.
It also has material collected on it that can influence a reading
To note, my clients issue is intermittent.
If this cleaning works, it would be a good idea to perform at time of DCT clutch upgrade.
We'll see by end of this week if the cleaning service works or not.
Fingers crossed

wheelpro · 09-04-2018, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schnell1982

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

May be my tcu internal fault ??
And if that happened
How can i use another donor one
With isn reset

You'll need access to someone with a factory tool "E-SYS" that can program control units. It is possible to re-code the control unit.
Not many places have experience, but they are out there

I have autohex ., autologic
And tcu already programmed. And take nee vin number
But issue not about vin
Its about ews protection
Like used donor dme to another car
Auto hex can reset isn ews for all bmw ecu's
Only dct not support

Any another to do that ? Or need to buy new one ?
I found its more than 4000$

schnell1982 · 09-04-2018, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

I have autohex ., autologic
And tcu already programmed. And take nee vin number
But issue not about vin
Its about ews protection
Like used donor dme to another car
Auto hex can reset isn ews for all bmw ecu's
Only dct not support

Any another to do that ? Or need to buy new one ?
I found its more than 4000$

Autologic is good but you need factory level tool
I have autologic as well, but does not compare to ISTA and E-SYS

Stück · 09-04-2018, 07:53 PM

schnell1982 It would be great if you could upload all of the original high resolution photos elsewhere, forum attachments get smashed and its hard to appreciate the fine details at the size they are.

schnell1982 · 09-04-2018, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Stück

schnell1982 It would be great if you could upload all of the original high resolution photos elsewhere, forum attachments get smashed and its hard to appreciate the fine details at the size they are.

I don't know what you mean.
I can resize them to be smaller.
I am using the same resize that I do for all my posts.
Are you using a phone app by chance ?

Stück · 09-04-2018, 08:30 PM

No, I'm browsing the forum on a PC... the forum severely compresses and resizes (smaller) photos you attach. Hosting them elsewhere would be great.

Original full resolution pictures would be most helpful for those needing to deal with this in the future so details can be seen. 500x375 pictures are postage stamps by today's standards.

wheelpro · 09-04-2018, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schnell1982

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

I have autohex ., autologic
And tcu already programmed. And take nee vin number
But issue not about vin
Its about ews protection
Like used donor dme to another car
Auto hex can reset isn ews for all bmw ecu's
Only dct not support

Any another to do that ? Or need to buy new one ?
I found its more than 4000$

Autologic is good but you need factory level tool
I have autologic as well, but does not compare to ISTA and E-SYS

I have ista too , but Probleme not in coding or programming
Its about ews

schnell1982 · 09-04-2018, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

I have ista too , but Probleme not in coding or programming
Its about ews

Can you engage any gear with the currently installed transmission ?
What fault codes are you currently getting ?

Stück · 09-04-2018, 09:59 PM

I'd like to see some pictures like this:

allmotor_2000 · 09-04-2018, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schnell1982

I have access to services that can re-write the control unit and I can then program it to this VIN
When you say you had this issue.
Did you have material present in the oil as well ?
or build up material at the position sensor locations ?

I had all of the above. It was cleaned etc. but rod 5-7 issue persisted. Those are hall sensors that measure rod movement. If the sensor was so bad it wouldn’t even adapt. The issue with the rod 5-7 is under load at WOT just near redline. There is something else going on.

We also tried ISTA-P and AutoLogic but could not program the VIN on a
used DCT. It’s the EWS issue.

schnell1982 · 09-04-2018, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

I had all of the above. It was cleaned etc. but rod 5-7 issue persisted. Those are hall sensors that measure rod movement. If the sensor was so bad it wouldn’t even adapt. The issue with the rod 5-7 is under load at WOT just near redline. There is something else going on.

We also tried ISTA-P and AutoLogic but could not program the VIN on a
used DCT. It’s the EWS issue.

That is interesting.
I do agree there is something else going on and not just build up material.
I have some more images of the material.
On yours, was there a lot of the sensor location ?
Did you have other codes aside from 5-7 ?

wheelpro · 09-05-2018, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schnell1982

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

I have ista too , but Probleme not in coding or programming
Its about ews

Can you engage any gear with the currently installed transmission ?
What fault codes are you currently getting ?

Fault parking lock disengagement. Time exceeded
And. Cant give any order to d,r,n
Switched to p
I checked. Wiring cable for parking hock
It was ok
When i checked by ista /d
Said replace transmission
My knowledge
Faulty from mechatronic or tcu

Used2be · 09-05-2018, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by schnell1982

I don't know what you mean.
I can resize them to be smaller.

You are able to post pictures as large as 2400 x 1500 in JPG format. I think that's what he means. Then we can make them that large on our computer screens if we wish to see detail.

allmotor_2000 · 09-05-2018, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schnell1982

That is interesting.
I do agree there is something else going on and not just build up material.
I have some more images of the material.
On yours, was there a lot of the sensor location ?
Did you have other codes aside from 5-7 ?

No other codes. There was some gunk.. but then again the DCT would adapt fine (meaning the sensors were working).

schnell1982 · 09-05-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

No other codes. There was some gunk.. but then again the DCT would adapt fine (meaning the sensors were working).

Did you take the valvebody apart and clean internally by chance ?
I spoke with SSP today and they mentioned that the valve body needs to come apart. I am performing that now

allmotor_2000 · 09-05-2018, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by schnell1982

Did you take the valve about apart and clean internally by chance ?
I spoke with SSP today and they mentioned that the valve body needs to come apart. I am performing that now

Yup...

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