What the heck happened to BMW?

[BlkGS]

I think FWD will spread a bit more, as it's a boon for manufacturing, and frankly, most people don't care. Being able to install the entire drive line from below on the line as one.piece however yields MASSIVE turn time gains. I would expect to see more vehicles like the XC90 T8 with a FWD ice portion, and EV on the rear for PHEV and hybrid purposes.

That said, has BMW lost it's way? Sure. But so has everyone else. Sports cars aren't built for car people anymore, they're built for people who view their cars as an accessory to their outfit. They want to brag about 0-60 times and lap times despite never having worn a helmet. They don't want a fun to drive and engaging car, they want a conversation piece that maybe will impress the office floozie enough to get a handy after a happy hour event. They don't care about steering feel or dynamics or whatever, they care about being seen in an expensive car

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by MJBO

A lot of EVs are RWD in their single-motor configurations.

Heck, Polestar switched the Polestar 2 from FWD to RWD for its single-motor as part of its mid-life update!

EVs? I thought this was largely a forum for motoring enthusiasts.

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by Neusser

EVs? I thought this was largely a forum for motoring enthusiasts.

EVs have motors

My post was more about calling out nonsense than commenting on the EV driving experience.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by NickyC

A current BMW I could get behind. I think the Z4s are very nice.

They are supposedly discontinuing the Z4. Unfortunately people hate convertibles. They like stupid SUVs and pickup trucks.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RPM33

They are supposedly discontinuing the Z4. Unfortunately people hate convertibles. They like stupid SUVs and pickup trucks.

They messed up making the Z4 a soft top only. Especially since the last one was a hard top convertible, and the ones before that had hatchback versions. I get that this time they had the Supra to worry about, as it's basically the same car, but going soft top only was a mistake.

It's a shame because it's the best looking Z car by far.

[ekinnee]

Seems to be a lot of old heads in here pining for the "good old days."

That being said, what BMW does is driven by sales figures and multiple governments requirements.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ekinnee

Seems to be a lot of old heads in here pining for the "good old days."

That being said, what BMW does is driven by sales figures and multiple governments requirements.

It's not just here. Car enthusiasts are overall unimpressed by what's on sale now because it's all so watered down. Guys in their 30s like me are nostalgic for the more analog and visceral cars of our youth that were also affordable. The new stuff is all so digital, almost all automatic, and so loaded with tech that gets outdated almost immediately.

People pay big money for nostalgia, hence why stuff like the E39 M5 values are so crazy. I'm a little surprised that manufacturers haven't started to try to cash in on nostalgia for my generation more. A supercharged mustang called the Terminator for instance, though admittedly Ford did do the Mach 1 last gen. But there's a lot of classics from the 00s that are just ripe for the exploiting by the automakers now.

[Kaizer84]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

It's not just here. Car enthusiasts are overall unimpressed by what's on sale now because it's all so watered down. Guys in their 30s like me are nostalgic for the more analog and visceral cars of our youth that were also affordable. The new stuff is all so digital, almost all automatic, and so loaded with tech that gets outdated almost immediately.

People pay big money for nostalgia, hence why stuff like the E39 M5 values are so crazy. I'm a little surprised that manufacturers haven't started to try to cash in on nostalgia for my generation more. A supercharged mustang called the Terminator for instance, though admittedly Ford did do the Mach 1 last gen. But there's a lot of classics from the 00s that are just ripe for the exploiting by the automakers now.

Agreed. It isn’t just limited to cars. It seems as though everything is watered down these days, no real “special” element to anything anymore. It’s just pump things out and look for a profit. I like you am in my mid 30’s, so nowhere close to “old”. Things are just super corny these days