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My favorite historics race was at Lime Rock Park. The class had a bunch of original minis and Shelby GT350s and lap after lap the Shelbys would barrel by the minis on the straight and the minis would be back in front by the time the left hander came up. Rinse, repeat. Was awesome. But yeah, there are tracks where the straight will overcome that disadvantage. I imagine even Road Atlanta's is long enough but by the time you're back on it you've probably been fighting them again. |
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06-23-2022, 10:40 AM | #48 |
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Yes, but the great thing about a light good handling car is it tends to maximize the fun while minimizing the consequences on a short track/autoX. That's why a lot of decent cars aren't truly exciting, because you have to get on a real big track for them to shine. There are a few exceptions, but if you care about maximizing fun, the highest HP isn't always the way.
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06-23-2022, 10:45 AM | #49 | |
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In a Miata, getting a point-by from a car with 2-3x the power is always fun. |
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06-23-2022, 11:00 AM | #50 | |
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I was dead set on getting an ND2 Miata RF as a fun car but the car was 5% too small for me inside plus the power of my M235 has corrupted me. While the ND2 Miata is a relatively quick car (mid/low 14s in the 1/4 mile), it felt too slow for my taste. It was also too quiet. If it had some old school Honda VTEC induction noise, it may have helped confuse my mind. I have two buddies with NB Miatas with basic Flying Miata turbo kits and the car in those cars is just perfect. 2400lbs and 200whp/wtq. Those cars are blast to drive but still too small for me. Thus, I'll be getting a 2003/2004 C5 Z06 as my track/fun car. It's my more size and power.
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06-23-2022, 03:13 PM | #53 |
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I was gonna say, honestly, some aggrandizing of the Miata. Absolutely fine track car, no contest fun for the $$ but a Camaro 1LE? Unless it's NOTHING but super tight corners, the 1LE will eat it alive.
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06-23-2022, 03:39 PM | #54 | |
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Give me a MX-5 any day instead of those behemoths.
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There is a reason they are such monsters. |
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I personally don't get these crazy, monster-sized excessive behemoths. Prefer small sportscars and subscribe to the Colin Chapman philosophy.
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I really wanted a SS 1LE before I ordered my BRZ, but I couldn't justify the price. |
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06-23-2022, 05:09 PM | #59 |
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Sometimes one just knows, like if you're straight and wonder about gay sex or vice versa lol. The point is not needing to hide it. That's the very point.
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06-23-2022, 10:46 PM | #62 | |
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And the thing that's fun about all of that is you get to drive a car at 9 or 10/10ths. Not at 9 or 10/10ths speed, but in terms of handling, grip, braking, etc. and it's a blast. We have bigger AutoX courses too where you do get to wring it out a bit and the faster cars (that still need to handle really well) do show a little faster, but so much of these races is carrying speed through the turns and the whole point of the course designs is to make challenging courses.
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1LE is an absolute monster on a road course (and any driving situation that requires handling). It's 911 S fast easily. The ZL1 1LE is GT3 fast. While yes, just about any modern production car is heavier than a Miata..., a 1LE is simply a Camaro with enough rubber, chassis, suspension and brakes to handle that 455hp. I respect the Miata and plenty of other cars that come out and can be driven fast around courses. I've seen quite a few that looked the look, but were downright terrible when driven at the limits...and a few that are surprisingly fast that you wouldn't think of initially.
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Ya guys, I admittedly dunno much about all those muscle cars in general. I just don't see the point having a crazily heavy car and then it must be compensated by an overzealous engine just to make it handle as good as a MX-5. Then again, I've never cared much for straight-line speed.
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To put in perspective how fast a modern Camaro is, look at Car and Driver's annual Lightning Lap. 2017 Camaro SS 1LE ran a 2:54.8, a 2012 Lexus LFA did 2:55.1. 2014 Ferrari F12 did a 2:50.8, 2015 Camaro Z/28 (previous gen) did 2:50.9. 2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE ran a 2:45.0. 2018 Ferrari 488 GTB ran a 2:45.1. These are monumentally fast cars for the money and don't get nearly the respect they deserve because they're just "muscle cars" in the eyes of many.
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