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      02-26-2023, 10:03 AM   #1321
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Off peak charging rates is a thing NOW
When EVs become a larger part of the market say 2035
If 50% of the new cars are EV, the electric companies will know they got you by the short hairs
They can change their rates to maximize profit
For a normal Household, they can track usage based on load
Not charging a 100kwhr battery is one price
Charge your EV and put load on the circuit, a different higher price
Imagine paying more to charge your EV than paying for gas would be a reality soon in the future
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The fat pos at the time only brought it in b/c his greenie wifey told him she would divorce him if he didn't
Old news that and the EU is on borrowed time with it's over the top rulings.
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      02-26-2023, 01:08 PM   #1323
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ďTesla has transformed the market with brilliant electric cars. As others race to catch up, itís an important signal to the market that the UK will no longer welcome dirty diesels and petrol cars from 2030".


he he he.
I guess they will just have to fire up a few dozen more coal fired power plants to help charge all these mandatory electric vehicles.
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      02-26-2023, 02:09 PM   #1324
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The fat pos at the time only brought it in b/c his greenie wifey told him she would divorce him if he didn't
Old news that and the EU is on borrowed time with it's over the top rulings.
The guys got plenty of ex wife's plenty of kids and preaches to folk about green. I can think of another middle aged podgy dude who is similar and wants to save the world.
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      02-26-2023, 04:22 PM   #1325
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The guys got plenty of ex wife's plenty of kids and preaches to folk about green. I can think of another middle aged podgy dude who is similar and wants to save the world.
KS will be doing the middle classes no favours like this present lot.

Here's another problem of many the gov. hasn't thought of.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2152...electric-cars/

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      02-27-2023, 07:22 PM   #1326
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Why do I get the feeling that the whole EV thing just isn't ready for Prime Time. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-dover-calais/
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      02-28-2023, 03:37 AM   #1327
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^ The well known term of 'sh*t show' is evident with our clueless leaders and the blinkers will have to come down soon.
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^ The well known term of 'sh*t show' is evident with our clueless leaders and the blinkers will have to come down soon.
But apparently its coming in 2035 and nothing can be done about it, be a part of it or.... something
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      02-28-2023, 07:12 AM   #1329
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I get government can regulate things, but something as big as transportation and individual needs makes it seem that supply and demand will be an issue. Government can force manufacturers to build EV's but it's difficult to force people to buy them. I guess I'm saying that there is a certain percentage of the population who don't care what they drive and they will buy what's available but there is also a significant group that are likely to not want to buy an EV. If car manufactures can't sell them what happens then?
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There really is no debate in Canada, once governments let PHEV's in under the legislation them there's no issue, the regulations will be met. It really is that simple.
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      02-28-2023, 08:37 AM   #1331
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But apparently its coming in 2035 and nothing can be done about it, be a part of it or.... something
Someone in gov.made a statement that ''they're coming in 2035'' I guess what that means is that new gas and diesel cars will not be sold anymore.
Mandates can be overturned.
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      02-28-2023, 08:57 AM   #1332
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There really is no debate in Canada, once governments let PHEV's in under the legislation them there's no issue, the regulations will be met. It really is that simple.
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I get government can regulate things, but something as big as transportation and individual needs makes it seem that supply and demand will be an issue. Government can force manufacturers to build EV's but it's difficult to force people to buy them. I guess I'm saying that there is a certain percentage of the population who don't care what they drive and they will buy what's available but there is also a significant group that are likely to not want to buy an EV. If car manufactures can't sell them what happens then?
THEN, government imposes regulations that make it incredibly painful for you to own and operate a ICE-powered vehicle on a daily basis. Cue more government spending via "incentives" to help make new EVs "affordable" (because, why not spend more money? Just turn the printer on and let it rip).
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      02-28-2023, 10:14 AM   #1334
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      02-28-2023, 03:09 PM   #1335
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THEN, government imposes regulations that make it incredibly painful for you to own and operate a ICE-powered vehicle on a daily basis. Cue more government spending via "incentives" to help make new EVs "affordable" (because, why not spend more money? Just turn the printer on and let it rip).
So we can go around and around but at the end of the day let's not forget that "the government" has imposed deadlines. In my experience they have failed to hit a single "on time/on budget" in history.

I suspect that as time goes along the mandates will slip as they can't get the infrastructure and associated approvals in line within a generation.
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I suspect that as time goes along the mandates will slip as they can't get the infrastructure and associated approvals in line within a generation.
I sound like a broken record but, if PHEV's are included the mandates will not slip because one still has a gas back up if you need it.
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THEN, government imposes regulations that make it incredibly painful for you to own and operate a ICE-powered vehicle on a daily basis. Cue more government spending via "incentives" to help make new EVs "affordable" (because, why not spend more money? Just turn the printer on and let it rip).
The sad part is, there are plenty of people that support that very thing. It doesnít matter. Thatís not how itís going to go down. They can impose all the regulations they want and reality will be reality and that is people are going to buy what they can afford and we will never have the infrastructure to support an all electric fleet nationwide. It wonít happen. Not while any of us on this forum are alive anyway. And by that time, I suspect entrepreneurs will have invented something else that makes green people happy that actually will be practical and more importantly, affordable for everyone to own and operate.
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I get government can regulate things, but something as big as transportation and individual needs makes it seem that supply and demand will be an issue. Government can force manufacturers to build EV's but it's difficult to force people to buy them. I guess I'm saying that there is a certain percentage of the population who don't care what they drive and they will buy what's available but there is also a significant group that are likely to not want to buy an EV. If car manufactures can't sell them what happens then?
At least in the US, I think the market demand for EVs has its own legs. There are challenges around infrastructure that are still being sorted out, but I think the target for government incentives now are all around ensuring development of batteries isnít done by non-allied countries.

Including very interesting developments to enable the recycling of EV batteries which as been a bit of an Achilles Heel for EVs to date. Without it weíll likely hit a limit on batteries realistically. A new plant being built locally to me will have the ability to produce 200K EV batteries a year from said recycling.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ion-us-backing
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I think people are sensationalizing and overreacting to what some car manufacturers and governments are saying they will be fully EV by 2035 or that you won't be able to buy a NEW ICE car after 2035 in some states.

First and foremost, this does NOT mean every ICE vehicle is being sent to the crusher at midnight on 12/31/34

There will be plenty on ICE vehicles for people to buy for the next 50 years at minimum and probably well past any of our lifetimes....so chill

secondly, some act like this is happening tomorrow .... hand wringing about the grid and infrastructure. This is decades away from effecting much of any of that for one and technology moves at the speed of light..Remember cell phones and TV's 20 years ago? We will most likely be flying around in drones by the time time ICE vehicles are actually not being produced anymore.
There may very soon be batteries with 600 mile range and much more efficient power sources by 2035 who knows how far along the technology will be, but I'm guessing much further than it is today


Worrying about any of it in 2023 is a waste of time
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Maybe a joke but having made a plan to tax and eliminate ice now there is a plan to eliminate tyres and brakes...
Lunacy and policy seem to be going hand in hand.
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I think people are sensationalizing and overreacting to what some car manufacturers and governments are saying they will be fully EV by 2035 or that you won't be able to buy a NEW ICE car after 2035 in some states.

First and foremost, this does NOT mean every ICE vehicle is being sent to the crusher at midnight on 12/31/34

There will be plenty on ICE vehicles for people to buy for the next 50 years at minimum and probably well past any of our lifetimes....so chill

secondly, some act like this is happening tomorrow .... hand wringing about the grid and infrastructure. This is decades away from effecting much of any of that for one and technology moves at the speed of light..Remember cell phones and TV's 20 years ago? We will most likely be flying around in drones by the time time ICE vehicles are actually not being produced anymore.
There may very soon be batteries with 600 mile range and much more efficient power sources by 2035 who knows how far along the technology will be, but I'm guessing much further than it is today


Worrying about any of it in 2023 is a waste of time
You make some excellent points, and I agree with much of what you wrote with the exception of worrying. I am not worrying about anything other than political interference. Allow flat out capitalism to determine the direction we go and Iíll be happy as a school boy on Christmas Eve. But one thing is for sure and you made this point, even with all out government interference itís still going to take many decades, to even think about eliminating ice.
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You make some excellent points, and I agree with much of what you wrote with the exception of worrying. I am not worrying about anything other than political interference. Allow flat out capitalism to determine the direction we go and Iíll be happy as a school boy on Christmas Eve. But one thing is for sure and you made this point, even with all out government interference itís still going to take many decades, to even think about eliminating ice.
I donít think this is a capitalism issue. The government regulates all sorts of things you can and canít buy on the basis of the environment. Leaded gas used to be a thing. Catalytic converters are now required. People used to smoke cigarettes in the office at work. EVs are just a differently flavor of this.

And like socal said, this isnít happening over night. Itís a gradual transition years in the making.
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