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      06-09-2020, 04:22 AM   #133
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Am I also correct in saying that PTF (HCP) has lowered the low down torque on the later version of maps (5.0), I've seen a few people complaining about slower to 100-200 times when updating.

If so to lower low down torque seems to make sense in the long run...
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      06-17-2020, 11:58 PM   #134
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Which tune would you recommend ? I’m planning on getting a tune this month but cannot decide. Was leaning towards RKTUNE. I’m completely stock and plan on staying stock but would like a little more power 🤪
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      06-18-2020, 10:16 AM   #135
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Which tune would you recommend ? I’m planning on getting a tune this month but cannot decide. Was leaning towards RKTUNE. I’m completely stock and plan on staying stock but would like a little more power 🤪
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      06-19-2020, 12:14 AM   #136
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Which tune would you recommend ? I’m planning on getting a tune this month but cannot decide. Was leaning towards RKTUNE. I’m completely stock and plan on staying stock but would like a little more power
I have a 2013 M5 (F10) and the stock tune was pretty crappy when I datalogged. AFRs were too high at WOT (14-15), ignition timing was all over the place, and isolated knock detection at part throttle (could be false knock).

The OTS Stage I 93 octane map was only slightly better. AFRs still high for a turbocharged engine (13s). Ignition timing values were slightly lower than the stock tune, but still not consistent.

I requested a custom tune from JordanTuned a few minutes ago. I was going to hold off, but I was not happy with my datalogging numbers. Remember the OTS maps are meant to fit a wide range of vehicles, fuel qualities, and driving conditions. Nothing really beats a custom tune in my opinion.
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      06-21-2020, 01:05 PM   #137
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Today it came out for the first time since I modified the car, BM3 stg2 91 oct, catless DP, and spark plug 2 step colder, I liked what I felt, the car reacted very well, I'm just going to log it, and check my 100-200 vs stock.
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      06-22-2020, 05:20 AM   #138
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Today it came out for the first time since I modified the car, BM3 stg2 91 oct, catless DP, and spark plug 2 step colder, I liked what I felt, the car reacted very well, I'm just going to log it, and check my 100-200 vs stock.
drive the car at least 3 days let it adapt then do 100-200, keep us updated, good luck
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      07-27-2020, 10:42 PM   #139
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You're such a loser lol, these cars bend rod stock or with any tune.
The OP, obviously just got a car doesnt know the history was probably already beat up to its limit.

How much are you getting paid ?
Just saw this.

FWIW, I had that car for over a year at that point.
All maintenance was up to date. Oil changes every 5k miles.

The tune was a BM3 OTS Stage 1. No other mods to the car other than a Dinan muffler.

Car had maybe 5hrs of engine runtime with the tune before rod knock. I do not believe this would have happened on a stock car or with a piggyback. Whether it was a spun bearing or a bent rod I have no idea, did not want to rebuild the motor.

Good news for anyone that does blow their motor in the first 5 days, BM3 will give you a refund! Your options at this point will be unload the car or spend months rebuilding costing you about 50% of the cars value, or buy a used engine for roughly the same price and do a swap.

Clearly blown motors don't happen to everyone. But be warned I have been in the community for some time and even before buying the F10 I was warned the motors like to blow, from ppl at BMW and ppl that own BMW shops, they see spun bearings all the time. I personally knew at least 3ppl with S63s that have blown. Just figured it wouldn't happen to me. It seems you are in the NY area, assuming you are somewhat in the BMW crowd around here I am sure you have seen more than your fair share of blown S63s

Unfortunately the S63 blowing itself up isn't preventable. (S55 crankhub fix, S62 Rod Bearings, S54 Vanos)

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      07-31-2020, 12:47 PM   #140
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So when you guys say blown motor are we talking spun rod bearings......is it as simple as just replacing the bearing (can be done from underneath the car, no?) or does the whole thing need to come out and be rebuilt? This is what is scaring me off a OTS flash. Has there been any OTS flash providers that have not "blown" the motor on this platform. I saw that dynoflash seemed to be popular once upon a time but it seems they dont really mess with this platform anymore. When I had my 335 I was happy with Wedge performance/MHD flasher (I dont know if they have maps for this platform yet). I'm stwying away from bootmod just from all the anecdotal posts here......its enough to give me pause. I dont even think I want a stage 2 flash. Just a bit more power and I want efficient mode to not feel so damn sluggish.
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      08-01-2020, 01:20 AM   #141
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So when you guys say blown motor are we talking spun rod bearings......is it as simple as just replacing the bearing (can be done from underneath the car, no?) or does the whole thing need to come out and be rebuilt? This is what is scaring me off a OTS flash. Has there been any OTS flash providers that have not "blown" the motor on this platform. I saw that dynoflash seemed to be popular once upon a time but it seems they dont really mess with this platform anymore. When I had my 335 I was happy with Wedge performance/MHD flasher (I dont know if they have maps for this platform yet). I'm stwying away from bootmod just from all the anecdotal posts here......its enough to give me pause. I dont even think I want a stage 2 flash. Just a bit more power and I want efficient mode to not feel so damn sluggish.
Once you've spun a rod bearing the crankshaft either needs to be repaired or replaced so not just a bearing replacement. I still don't see how a tune could spin a rod bearing, bend a rod yes but these cars do that stock.
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Once you've spun a rod bearing the crankshaft either needs to be repaired or replaced so not just a bearing replacement. I still don't see how a tune could spin a rod bearing, bend a rod yes but these cars do that stock.
The assumption was crank needs to be at least micropolished or replaced but yeah if thats the only thing to realistically worry about I dont mind that possibility, hell even bending a rod and having to replace it I can stomach. I dont want to window the block or destroy the heads or anything. I'm not trying to break world records or race GTR's. I like power but love reliability more. Prob the wrong thread for me to ask whose OTS shelf "appears" to be the safest
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      08-02-2020, 08:51 AM   #143
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Once you've spun a rod bearing the crankshaft either needs to be repaired or replaced so not just a bearing replacement. I still don't see how a tune could spin a rod bearing, bend a rod yes but these cars do that stock.
The assumption was crank needs to be at least micropolished or replaced but yeah if thats the only thing to realistically worry about I dont mind that possibility, hell even bending a rod and having to replace it I can stomach. I dont want to window the block or destroy the heads or anything. I'm not trying to break world records or race GTR's. I like power but love reliability more. Prob the wrong thread for me to ask whose OTS shelf "appears" to be the safest
I try to steer clear of OTS tunes and go for a custom mapping that's tailored to the car. At minimum if you go with a OTS tune, data log the shit out of it and have the tuner review it for knock / detonation / air flow / timing ... etc
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Once you've spun a rod bearing the crankshaft either needs to be repaired or replaced so not just a bearing replacement. I still don't see how a tune could spin a rod bearing, bend a rod yes but these cars do that stock.
The assumption was crank needs to be at least micropolished or replaced but yeah if thats the only thing to realistically worry about I dont mind that possibility, hell even bending a rod and having to replace it I can stomach. I dont want to window the block or destroy the heads or anything. I'm not trying to break world records or race GTR's. I like power but love reliability more. Prob the wrong thread for me to ask whose OTS shelf "appears" to be the safest
I try to steer clear of OTS tunes and go for a custom mapping that's tailored to the car. At minimum if you go with a OTS tune, data log the shit out of it and have the tuner review it for knock / detonation / air flow / timing ... etc
What do you recommend as the best method for data logging?
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Once you've spun a rod bearing the crankshaft either needs to be repaired or replaced so not just a bearing replacement. I still don't see how a tune could spin a rod bearing, bend a rod yes but these cars do that stock.
The assumption was crank needs to be at least micropolished or replaced but yeah if thats the only thing to realistically worry about I dont mind that possibility, hell even bending a rod and having to replace it I can stomach. I dont want to window the block or destroy the heads or anything. I'm not trying to break world records or race GTR's. I like power but love reliability more. Prob the wrong thread for me to ask whose OTS shelf "appears" to be the safest
I try to steer clear of OTS tunes and go for a custom mapping that's tailored to the car. At minimum if you go with a OTS tune, data log the shit out of it and have the tuner review it for knock / detonation / air flow / timing ... etc
What do you recommend as the best method for data logging?
BM3 has the option to data log if you go that route. If you don't, could always use ENET with Ethernet to USB-C or lighting conversion and download Bimmerlink or Dashcommand.

https://www.palmerperformance.com/products/dashcommand/

They are also compatible over Bluetooth. I just find the direct connection to be the best method for real-time data and coding if you ever use BimmerCode
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The assumption was crank needs to be at least micropolished or replaced but yeah if thats the only thing to realistically worry about I dont mind that possibility, hell even bending a rod and having to replace it I can stomach. I dont want to window the block or destroy the heads or anything. I'm not trying to break world records or race GTR's. I like power but love reliability more. Prob the wrong thread for me to ask whose OTS shelf "appears" to be the safest
Ive seen people repair the bottom end just to have the top end go afterwards because of metal and shit clogging the oil pathways on other BMWs. At least thats the assumption. Seems like a risky repair and I think thats why the whole motor gets rebuilt when the rod bearings go.
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Once you've spun a rod bearing the crankshaft either needs to be repaired or replaced so not just a bearing replacement. I still don't see how a tune could spin a rod bearing, bend a rod yes but these cars do that stock.
its all about the tune.. the very respected user 'allmotor' on here, think was the first one to make over 1000 hp something with a built motor, made 850 on the stock motor..

And words from his mouth are "it's all about the tune"

And spinning a bearing comes from poor customer service and not informing your customer thst after the tune the oil will sheer in these motors so don't do repeated wot runs back to back to back
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TBH this thread was enough to put me off BM3. I had BM3 on my previous S55 M3 and it's an amazing platform the customer service is fantastic but the OTS maps are quite spikey to make the big power gains.

I ended up going for OpenFlash for my F10, the map seems great so far and the customer service is OK (a little slow)

I understand why you'd pursue a custom map as opposed to OTS but there are certain benefits to being able to log, remove the map and tweak config etc which you don't typically get with Custom tunes unless via a platform like BM3
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I was looking at the OpenFlash (they have a a decent rep in the Evo community) but honestly.....I think I'm just gonna leave it alone for now. I barely drive it anyway so it still feels plenty fast to me. I have a friend who has a S55 AMG and hes always talking crap (light hearted)......I debated getting a tune but bruising his ego isnt worth potentially putting a hole in my pocket. At least not for the moment.
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Leave it alone unless the car starts to feel slow and dull to you. I still say holy fuck im gonna go to jail if i dont slow down, so stock tune is enough for now. Theres plenty of other mods to do .
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I have bootmod3 stage 2 93 octane for about 7k miles. 31k to 38k.

HCP is the supplier for bm3. Bm3 doesnt actually tune anything. They are a distributor.

I did my spark plugs day after flash. I change oil every 2.5-3k miles. I use oem oil with some liquid molly product for oil treatment.

I have meisterschaft downpipes and exhaust. Project gamma intakes and I drive very hard. I have multiple videos living above 160+. I do a lot of revving.

However, 98% of the time I wait for oil to warm up. I also try not to do any full throttle pulls using 1st or 2nd gear but I have done some high 2nd gear pulls when I raced. Purpose of this is to not use all my torque to possibly bend a rod.

I don't race like crazy but I have done plenty of runs. I just recently heard of 3 blown s63tu motors in New York. 2 tuned none from bm3 and 1 stock.
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And in Mexico we dont know what gasoline they put us. I have three months with the BM3, but I accelerated in 1st in drag race several times, in 2nd in roll race several times too, and also participated in a track day, this Sunday I am going to install the intake AFE stg 2, and I am going to upload to the dyno to test it in stg2, stg1 and stock
I hope to share my results soon
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First post, 3rd 4.4 V8 Bmw, 2 out of 3 blown/damaged . Most likely my last V8 BMW.... currently 13' M5 38k 6 speed stock ( production month was not needed for oil pump recall) Did Rod Bearings 1k ago.... decided to give 1 pull to almost 5k and the car died after the pull. Sounds like like the guide tensioner broke and spinning around hitting the walls. Had others come take a look it at they said similar things or valves. Car runs, holds oper temp, normal idol just Sound like metal on metal brake noise. FML I think it's times for S55.
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If u did rod bearings 1 month ago it seems likely something wasnt done correctly
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