M5POST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   M5POST - BMW M5 Forum > F10 M5 Forum > BMW M5 (F10) General Forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-19-2019, 01:05 PM   #1
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

What to look out for?

Hi,
I have decided I want another M5, I am looking at a 2012 with 60k on the clock and would love to know what to look out for when I view the car. I had an E39 M5 and miss it every day, had loads of others too, 335i, 535i E39, 745I, 840CI and a couple more, been driving a 2009 Merc CL500 AMG for the last two and a half years but want the M back. Any help much appreciated.
thanks
Appreciate 0
      04-19-2019, 03:06 PM   #2
G-M5
Private First Class
48
Rep
104
Posts

Drives: 2015 M5
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (0)

Service history is the most imp one to look out for. Always good to take it to your mechanic and have them life it up and check suspension, steering, belts hoses oil leaks etc. good luck.
Appreciate 0
      04-19-2019, 08:01 PM   #3
Chiraq M5
Private First Class
Chiraq M5's Avatar
United_States
27
Rep
122
Posts

Drives: 2015 M5 CP
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

over 50k and 2012? I would stay away.

Spend 10k more and get 2014+ LCI better for you.
Appreciate 0
      04-19-2019, 10:41 PM   #4
mrtt
Private First Class
31
Rep
169
Posts

Drives: E46/E60/E92/F10/E55
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by huesey1974 View Post
Hi,
I have decided I want another M5, I am looking at a 2012 with 60k on the clock and would love to know what to look out for when I view the car. I had an E39 M5 and miss it every day, had loads of others too, 335i, 535i E39, 745I, 840CI and a couple more, been driving a 2009 Merc CL500 AMG for the last two and a half years but want the M back. Any help much appreciated.
thanks
Check for leaky turbo coolant lines and if you can, purchase a 2014+
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2019, 03:14 AM   #5
M5theonlyone
Major
United Kingdom
360
Rep
1,166
Posts

Drives: BMW M5
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Southern England

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M5  [5.00]
The same as to what I have mentioned before applies to models above '12 as the engines are exactly the same for even the often mentioned 'lci' models that have exactly the same non forged rod bearings as the 11-13 ones.Makes no difference as they need to be checked also for peace of mind.
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2019, 08:23 AM   #6
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

Hi,
Thanks for all your reply's, much appreciated. I take it there's an issue with rod bearing in this engine? I am aware of the oil consumption on certain engines and i'm guessing its just your luck , however I have had a service history report and it has had 8 services all by BMW, also to note on the bulletin was that it had been into BMW for a few top ups around 3k miles apart in its earlier days. I take it this is a lifetime issue? also the turbo lines have been repaired around 10k miles ago. car has new brakes all round and tyres so no issues there. i'm not overly concerned with basic repairs as I usually do these myself and I also have a great mechanic if required. The engine would be the worry but i'm sure there are thousands around with no issues. the internet always shows up the problematic ones which gets you thinking.. Are the early models that bad I should steer clear? 66k is fairly low mileage I would have thought, my old E39 had 148k on her when I sold and was still pulling strong. thanks again guys!!
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2019, 01:12 PM   #7
mrtt
Private First Class
31
Rep
169
Posts

Drives: E46/E60/E92/F10/E55
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (1)

You only hear rod issues when there is a problem. There are countless number of other things that could go wrong with your car and if you start thinking about it, you can't sleep at night. Buy one that suits your budget, do preventive maintenance and enjoy it. You don't hear about rod bearings as much compared to E60 E90 platform if it makes you feel any better
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2019, 02:43 PM   #8
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

yeah, I think if you looked on the forums and read through all the posts you would never buy a car. I had a 996 911 and after two years found out about a potentially catastrophic engine issue, most people walked away but I never knew about it and my car was excellent. I usually just ask about the main issues and try to get a feel for what to look for when I view so thanks for all your input. the car has 4 previous owners which is a few I guess for a 7 year old car but most 2011-2013 models have this that are for sale at the moment in the u.k and also some newer ones. I usually change every two years and sometimes earlier so I guess there could be plenty of people like me out there. think I will take the 300 mile trip to have a look and if I like it have an inspection carried out.
thanks
Appreciate 1
pcohen15337.50

      04-21-2019, 10:39 PM   #9
pcohen15
Lieutenant
pcohen15's Avatar
338
Rep
512
Posts

Drives: 2013 F10 M5, Singapore Gray
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by huesey1974 View Post
yeah, I think if you looked on the forums and read through all the posts you would never buy a car. I had a 996 911 and after two years found out about a potentially catastrophic engine issue, most people walked away but I never knew about it and my car was excellent. I usually just ask about the main issues and try to get a feel for what to look for when I view so thanks for all your input. the car has 4 previous owners which is a few I guess for a 7 year old car but most 2011-2013 models have this that are for sale at the moment in the u.k and also some newer ones. I usually change every two years and sometimes earlier so I guess there could be plenty of people like me out there. think I will take the 300 mile trip to have a look and if I like it have an inspection carried out.
thanks
You seem entirely too rational to buy an M car.
__________________
1972 Bavaria> 1973 3.0Si> 2013 328i> 2009 E92 M3> 2013 F10 M5: Singapore Gray over Sakhir Orange, Executive, Driving Assistance, B&O
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2019, 04:14 AM   #10
M5theonlyone
Major
United Kingdom
360
Rep
1,166
Posts

Drives: BMW M5
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Southern England

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M5  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by huesey1974 View Post
yeah, I think if you looked on the forums and read through all the posts you would never buy a car. I had a 996 911 and after two years found out about a potentially catastrophic engine issue, most people walked away but I never knew about it and my car was excellent. I usually just ask about the main issues and try to get a feel for what to look for when I view so thanks for all your input. the car has 4 previous owners which is a few I guess for a 7 year old car but most 2011-2013 models have this that are for sale at the moment in the u.k and also some newer ones. I usually change every two years and sometimes earlier so I guess there could be plenty of people like me out there. think I will take the 300 mile trip to have a look and if I like it have an inspection carried out.
thanks
Would you care to open up on the potential 996 engine issue,there are a few M5 owners with Porsche's on the forum.
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2019, 01:07 PM   #11
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M5theonlyone View Post
Would you care to open up on the potential 996 engine issue,there are a few M5 owners with Porsche's on the forum.
Hi,
The IMS bearing issue, many engines were toast, No warning.
Appreciate 0
      04-25-2019, 02:30 PM   #12
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

How do these options look chaps?
01CA Selection of COP relevant vehicles
01CC Auto start/stop function
01CD Brake Energy Regeneration
0223Electronic Damper Control (EDC)
0245Steering wheel column adjustment,electr.
02MK M double-clutch transmiss. w/Drivelogic
02NZ BMW LA wheel, M Double Spoke 343
02PA Wheel bolt retainer
02VB Tire pressure display
0302 Alarm system
0322 Comfort access
0403Glass roof, electrical
0423Floor mats, velours
0428Warning triangle and first aid kit
0430Interior/outside mirror with auto dip
0431Interior mirror with automatic-dip
0441 Smoker package
0488Lumbar support, driver and passenger
0494Seat heating driver/passenger
04L9Interior moldings Alu Trace
04MA M multifunction seat
04NB Autom. climate control with 4-zone ctrl
04UR Ambient interior lighting
0502Headlight cleaning system
0508Park Distance Control (PDC)
0522 Xenon Light
0524 Adaptive Headlights
05AC High-beam assistant
0609 Navigation system Professional
0610 Head-up display
0612 BMW Assist
0614 Internet, preparations
0615 Expanded BMW Online Information
0616 BMW Online
0620 Voice control
0633 Preparation, mobile phone, Business
0654 DAB tuner
0677 HiFi System Professional DSP
0698 Area-Code 2 for DVD
06AA BMW TeleServices
06AB Control for Teleservices
06FL USB/Audio interface
06NF Music interface for Smartphone
06VC Control for Combox
0754 M Rear spoiler
0760 High gloss shadow line
0775 Headlining anthracite
0812 National version England / Ireland
0850 Dummy-SALAPA
0853 Language version English
0877 Delete cross-pattern operation
0880 On-board vehicle literature English
08KA Dummy-SALAPA
08S2 Coding alarm signal
08S3 Automatic locking when driving off
08SM Car ident. number visible from outside
08TF Active pedestrian protection
08TG Thiefproofing device
08TN Daytime run.lights adjus.via light menu
08V1 Label
A105 105 AH AGM battery
Appreciate 0
      04-25-2019, 09:52 PM   #13
isved
Enlisted Member
8
Rep
31
Posts

Drives: 2009 335i XDrive
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Philadelphia, PA

iTrader: (0)

It doesn't really have any options. Not sure if that's important to you.

The only things I can see are comfort access and heads up display.

I would definitely go for a car with Bang and Olufsen. I have every option on my car but the most important ones to me are heads up display, B&O, comfort access, and seat ventilation.

I personally love having options, but some don't like to as they see it as just a more complex machine that has more things to go wrong, which isn't untrue.

As for the mileage, most "common" issues are overblown, just like with any car. At the end of the day, a small percentage of owners are on the forums and other various groups. And even less people will purposely take time out of their day just to write a post saying "drove my car for 60k miles without any issues."

My car is a 2013 with 61k miles, doesn't consume more than maybe half a liter of oil between oil changes, and has been dead reliable apart from a door lock actuator.

Suit yourself, it's all about what you need or prefer.
Appreciate 1
      04-28-2019, 06:26 AM   #14
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

Hi,
Thanks again for all your replys, I have decided to pull the plug on that particular car, The dealer was difficult to deal with over the phone so i will move on. I'm just going to wait for exactly what i want, has to be Monte Carlo Blue with black leather and M seats. Defo 20" rims also. Not too bothered about options although they can be nice to have. Service history and the break in service will be my main priority.
Cheers
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2019, 11:39 PM   #15
Jasoneo5
Second Lieutenant
29
Rep
225
Posts

Drives: M6 Gran Coupe, M3, Turbo S
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: SF Bay area

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiraq M5 View Post
over 50k and 2012? I would stay away.

Spend 10k more and get 2014+ LCI better for you.

200% what he said. Pre LCI's will tank harder in value and hold their lesser value in re-sale. Weaker Fuel pumps and the older version of injectors are known to bomb the engines. 2015+ have better clutches.
Appreciate 1
      06-20-2019, 07:21 AM   #16
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

Hi,
I have been looking for a couple of months now, a 2012 with 40k miles in the colour i have been looking for has popped up for sale, its service history is bang on with run in service etc complete. the option are listed below and it seems to tick all the boxes. thoughts on this spec please
S754A M Rear spoiler


Comfort and interior equipment

S403A Glass roof electrical
S415A Sunblind rear
S416A Roller sun vizor rear lateral
S428A Warning triangle and first aid kit
S430A Interioroutside mirror with auto dip
S431A Interior mirror with automaticdip
S441A Smoker package
S465A Throughloading system
S488A Lumbar support driver and passenger
S4MAA M multifunction seat
S4NBA Autom climate control with 4zone ctrl
S423A Floor mats velours
S494A Seat heating driverpassenger
S4URA Ambient interior lighting





Multimedia

S601A TV function
S609A Navigation system Professional
S610A Headup display
S612A BMW Assist
S614A Internet preparations
S615A Expanded BMW Online Information
S616A BMW Online
S620A Voice control
S633A Preparation mobile phone Business
S654A DAB tuner
S677A HiFi System Professional DSP
S696A DVD changer
S698A AreaCode 2 for DVD
S6AAA BMW TeleServices
S6ABA Control for Teleservices
S6FHA Rear Professional entertainment center
S6FLA USBAudio interface
S6NFA Music interface for Smartphone
S6NRA Apps
S6VCA Control for Combox
- Bavsound speaker upgrade available


Driver assistance and lightning

S508A Park Distance Control PDC
S524A Adaptive Headlights
S575A Supplementary 12V sockets
S5ACA Highbeam assistant
S5ADA Lane departure warning
S5AGA Lanechange warning
S5DLA Surround View
S502A Headlight cleaning system
S522A Xenon Light





Wheels and drive

S245A Steering wheel column adjustmentelectr
S248A Steering wheel heater
S2NZA BMW LA wheel M Double Spoke 343
S2PAA Wheel bolt retainer
S2VBA Tire pressure display
S223A Dynamic Damping Control
S2MKA M doubleclutch transmiss wDrivelogic


Environment and safety

S316A automatic trunk lid mechanism
S319A Integrated universal remote control
S322A Comfort access
S323A SoftCloseAutomatic doors
S3AGA Reversing camera
S850A ZUSAETZL TANKFUELLUNG EXPORT
S877A Delete crosspattern operation
S880A Onboard vehicle literature English
S8KAA OELWARTUNGSINT 30000KM24MONATE
S8S2A Coding alarm signal
S8S3A Automatic locking when driving off
S8SCA Telematics access requestcountryspec
S8SMA Car ident number visible from outside
S8TFA Active pedestrian protection
S8TGA Thiefproofing device
S8THA Road sign detection
S8TNA Daytime runlights adjusvia light menu
S8V1A Label
S302A Alarm system
S853A Language version English


Individual equipment

S761A Individual sunshade glazing
S776A Headliner in Alcantara anthracite
S760A High gloss shadow line


Other equipment

S1CAA Selection of COP relevant vehicles
L812A National version England Ireland
SXE7A Indi int strips piano lacquer black
S1CCA Auto startstop function
S1CDA Brake Energy Regeneration
- Sign BMW individual
- ZAP8 BMW Individual extended leather trim Graphite
- Extended leather Merino graphite
- nb 7 975 328 Sun Reflective Technology
- Sewing thread graphite nb 2 272 113 code 0130 H
- Quilting yarn graphite nb 2 272 112 code 0130 H
- Quilting yarn for Ornamental seam
- Quilting yarn graphite nb 8 027 107 code 0130 H
- Seam of front and rear seats according to Mmultifunction seats
- Remainder of spec as leather Merino black code LKSW
- 0XE7 BMW Individual interior tim Piano finish black
- Interior trim strips in piano finish black II
Appreciate 0
      06-20-2019, 04:15 PM   #17
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

Appreciate 0
      06-20-2019, 04:16 PM   #18
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

Guys,
Does this look ok for the running in service?
Thanks
Appreciate 0
      06-21-2019, 02:28 PM   #19
pcohen15
Lieutenant
pcohen15's Avatar
338
Rep
512
Posts

Drives: 2013 F10 M5, Singapore Gray
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by huesey1974 View Post
Hi,
I have been looking for a couple of months now, a 2012 with 40k miles in the colour i have been looking for has popped up for sale, its service history is bang on with run in service etc complete. the option are listed below and it seems to tick all the boxes. thoughts on this spec please
S754A M Rear spoiler


Comfort and interior equipment

S403A Glass roof electrical
S415A Sunblind rear
S416A Roller sun vizor rear lateral
S428A Warning triangle and first aid kit
S430A Interioroutside mirror with auto dip
S431A Interior mirror with automaticdip
S441A Smoker package
S465A Throughloading system
S488A Lumbar support driver and passenger
S4MAA M multifunction seat
S4NBA Autom climate control with 4zone ctrl
S423A Floor mats velours
S494A Seat heating driverpassenger
S4URA Ambient interior lighting





Multimedia

S601A TV function
S609A Navigation system Professional
S610A Headup display
S612A BMW Assist
S614A Internet preparations
S615A Expanded BMW Online Information
S616A BMW Online
S620A Voice control
S633A Preparation mobile phone Business
S654A DAB tuner
S677A HiFi System Professional DSP
S696A DVD changer
S698A AreaCode 2 for DVD
S6AAA BMW TeleServices
S6ABA Control for Teleservices
S6FHA Rear Professional entertainment center
S6FLA USBAudio interface
S6NFA Music interface for Smartphone
S6NRA Apps
S6VCA Control for Combox
- Bavsound speaker upgrade available


Driver assistance and lightning

S508A Park Distance Control PDC
S524A Adaptive Headlights
S575A Supplementary 12V sockets
S5ACA Highbeam assistant
S5ADA Lane departure warning
S5AGA Lanechange warning
S5DLA Surround View
S502A Headlight cleaning system
S522A Xenon Light





Wheels and drive

S245A Steering wheel column adjustmentelectr
S248A Steering wheel heater
S2NZA BMW LA wheel M Double Spoke 343
S2PAA Wheel bolt retainer
S2VBA Tire pressure display
S223A Dynamic Damping Control
S2MKA M doubleclutch transmiss wDrivelogic


Environment and safety

S316A automatic trunk lid mechanism
S319A Integrated universal remote control
S322A Comfort access
S323A SoftCloseAutomatic doors
S3AGA Reversing camera
S850A ZUSAETZL TANKFUELLUNG EXPORT
S877A Delete crosspattern operation
S880A Onboard vehicle literature English
S8KAA OELWARTUNGSINT 30000KM24MONATE
S8S2A Coding alarm signal
S8S3A Automatic locking when driving off
S8SCA Telematics access requestcountryspec
S8SMA Car ident number visible from outside
S8TFA Active pedestrian protection
S8TGA Thiefproofing device
S8THA Road sign detection
S8TNA Daytime runlights adjusvia light menu
S8V1A Label
S302A Alarm system
S853A Language version English


Individual equipment

S761A Individual sunshade glazing
S776A Headliner in Alcantara anthracite
S760A High gloss shadow line


Other equipment

S1CAA Selection of COP relevant vehicles
L812A National version England Ireland
SXE7A Indi int strips piano lacquer black
S1CCA Auto startstop function
S1CDA Brake Energy Regeneration
- Sign BMW individual
- ZAP8 BMW Individual extended leather trim Graphite
- Extended leather Merino graphite
- nb 7 975 328 Sun Reflective Technology
- Sewing thread graphite nb 2 272 113 code 0130 H
- Quilting yarn graphite nb 2 272 112 code 0130 H
- Quilting yarn for Ornamental seam
- Quilting yarn graphite nb 8 027 107 code 0130 H
- Seam of front and rear seats according to Mmultifunction seats
- Remainder of spec as leather Merino black code LKSW
- 0XE7 BMW Individual interior tim Piano finish black
- Interior trim strips in piano finish black II
This appears to be standard equipment with Executive and Driver Assist packages. The Individual interior touches are nice extras. Unless I missed it, there's no B&O sound system, which you won't miss unless you listen to music a lot in the car.

40k miles is not a lot for this model year. Have it inspected, drive it, stare at it. If you look back at it while walking away, then it's The One.

But please take a close look at the condition of the brakes and tires. Tires will cost $350+ per corner mounted and balanced, and brakes could run you between $2k-$5k. And you'll want an aftermarket service contract (warranty) because M = money when it breaks.

Good luck!
__________________
1972 Bavaria> 1973 3.0Si> 2013 328i> 2009 E92 M3> 2013 F10 M5: Singapore Gray over Sakhir Orange, Executive, Driving Assistance, B&O
Appreciate 0
      06-30-2019, 08:10 AM   #20
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

Hi,
Still looking, the 2nd car I pulled the plug on had 6 owners and to me a worry, it also looked like new discs very soon.bI am now going to look at a very late 2013 LCI with the Competition package, it has 52k miles and again the seats etc I was looking for. I will keep you updated. whilst searching I found this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-BMW-...cAAOSwW9VdGInL
Found the rear badge amusing!!!
Appreciate 0
      06-30-2019, 10:06 AM   #21
94jedi
Captain
United_States
375
Rep
692
Posts

Drives: e90 M3 - sold | e46 M3 - sold
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: United States

iTrader: (0)

Service history for sure, as others have mentioned. Try to buy a car from an individual rather than a dealer, as you have a better chance of getting service history. Also, try to find cars w/ as few owners as possible. Cars w/ multiple owners usually don't get the maintenance investment they need, for obvious reasons. Lastly, if you want to save yourself some money in the long run, look for a "turn-key" car, i.e. a car that doesn't need anything in the near future. Brakes, tires, interval maintenance, etc. Those things can easily add up to $2k (USD) each. I just replaced tires on my car after buying it in May to the tune of $1700. Oil change is up next, which I'll be doing myself.

Good luck and don't settle!
__________________
Alpinemss Tuned | MS Stage 2 Intake | MS Pulleys | Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust
Appreciate 0
      07-07-2019, 12:21 PM   #22
huesey1974
Private
Scotland
21
Rep
90
Posts

Drives: 2013 M5 competition
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Glasgow

iTrader: (0)

Hi,
I have put a holding deposit down on a late 2013 LCI with Comp package. I have not seen it yet and will go down in a few days. I have had a BMW report carried out and all checks out good, running in service etc all perfect. Tyres all at 6mm, and most importantly the brakes were fully replaced around 12k miles ago. Has also had a gearbox service and rear diff in late 2017. Plugs done around 20k ago. I have been told it is immaculate but will see for myself soon. it certainly ticks all the boxes. noticed it had a few top up oil visits but they were spread out around 9k km and these were in its earlier life. its a 2 owner car also. My only slight concern is the comp pack suspension, I have probably been reading into it too much but lots of conflicting comments regarding ride quality. will be strange for me moving from my big spongy CL500, however I have had some bone shaking cars recently and was not too bad, my 996 911!!!!!!! i'm 45 on Monday but feel like a kid on Christmas eve!! Anyway ill keep you updated, wish me luck!!



[IMG][/IMG]
Appreciate 1
94jedi375.00

Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:21 AM.




m5post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST