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      02-28-2024, 06:45 AM   #287
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So if Horner is on his way to Bahrain I'd say he is still in a job with RedBull.

1 - He is cleared and he carried on leading the team.
2 - He is gone but wants the media all there to say he believes he is innocent and wants to fight to clear his name. I see this as unlikely though as surely he would have gone home and not gone to the race unless its as above or says goodbye.

News is apparently going to be released later today pre 8pm UK time. Not long to wait then we can get back to racing and other politics I'm sure this is F1 after all.
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      02-28-2024, 09:41 AM   #289
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ll-formula-one


Guess who's back

Back again

Horner's back

Tell the paddock

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      02-28-2024, 09:55 AM   #290
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The mutiny has been quelled...
“The independent investigation into the allegations made against Mr Horner is complete, and Red Bull can confirm that the grievance has been dismissed. The complainant has a right of appeal. Red Bull is confident that the investigation has been fair, rigorous and impartial. The investigation report is confidential and contains the private information of the parties and third parties who assisted in the investigation, and therefore we will not be commenting further out of respect for all concerned. Red Bull will continue striving to meet the highest workplace standards.”
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      02-28-2024, 10:09 AM   #291
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So a storm in a glass of water (or in a teacup as they say on that crazy island....)

And as no further details have been given....who knows that woman might have been negotiating for a bigger bag of money taking up all the time...

In a few weeks we've all forgotten about it, just like that thing with Toto and his wife or that thing with Ben Sulayem.
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      02-28-2024, 11:46 AM   #292
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Told ya, one big fat nothing burger

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so the dutch live in an alternate universe with alternate facts? (recall the storm with "racist royals" - ok maybe wrong forum)

or there was really an internal mafia and Thai 1 Austria 0?

it's one or the other guys



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meanwhile - Vacancy: personal assistant to overachieving leader, must be able to cope with high pressure environment, no snapchat allowed

also i'm waiting to see those pics

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      02-28-2024, 01:16 PM   #294
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Told ya, one big fat nothing burger

https://www.grandprix247.com/2024/02...red-bull-boss/
He pinched Toto's az and he didn't complain
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      02-28-2024, 01:52 PM   #295
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Just as I figured, no new information. Horner keeps his job. They wouldn't have had him still parading around as CEO/Team Principal if he had done something egregious. Now the women in question will have to go public if she wants to continue. My guess is that won't happen as she has deleted all her socials and is in hiding.
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He pinched Toto's az and he didn't complain
Horner: Hello Toto, how do i make this go away?

Toto: I know a guy ...

Horner: Sweet
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My guess is it was minor sexist type comments and things of that nature. No direct harassment, just stuff that someone found inappropriate for a workplace environment. You've really gotta have a discussion with someone about that sort of behavior, rather than just accumulate evidence for a significant amount of time, because the perpetrator likely doesn't know they're offending you.

I work adjacent to the construction industry and this stuff happens all the time. Questionable things get said that may be okay for 99% of the people in the room. We can't all be 100% PC 100% of the time. When you come up against something that's uncomfortable, you need to say something before it becomes true harassment, you can't just sit back and pretend like it's okay and then boom, come up with some major allegation years later.
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"Christian Horner allegations: Red Bull team principal cleared of inappropriate behaviour"
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/68411597

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Horner said at the very start "this is a set up"

I wonder if Netflix will show us RB team meetings from now ...
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Summary of the situation so far:
  • a Red Bull Racing employee filed a complaint against Christian Horner;
  • Horner disputes all allegations;
  • no-one has a clue about what has exactly happened, except for the RBR employee, Horner, Red Bull management and the appointed external investigator;
  • all the rest is, for the time being, speculation.
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  • Red Bull management dismissed the complaint;
  • life moves on for Horner (but he may remember for a long time how friends, colleagues and press reacted at the time that he was in stormy weather - a friend in need is a friend indeed).
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So a storm in a glass of water (or in a teacup as they say on that crazy island....)

And as no further details have been given....who knows that woman might have been negotiating for a bigger bag of money taking up all the time...

In a few weeks we've all forgotten about it, just like that thing with Toto and his wife or that thing with Ben Sulayem.
In the end it's all about how fast the drivers go around the track
Burn the witch !
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99% of the articles were media hotness and click bait .

From day 1 : I said Horner will be fine .
One thing is for sure , the B1tch with the golden tears is fired !
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FTFY
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Horner: Hello Toto, how do i make this go away?
Witch pillow talk . Ask Susie ..
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From day 1 : I said Horner will be fine .
You seem to know a lot.

What exactly was CH accused of? Suggestive text? Suggestive talk? Slapping her on the ass? Any ideas?
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You seem to know a lot.

What exactly was CH accused of? Suggestive text? Suggestive talk? Slapping her on the ass? Any ideas?
Inappropriate and controlling behaviour towards a member of staff .
The B1tch wanted already move to Mercedes in 2023.
If Wolff buys the B1tch , Wolff gets Red Bull Technology .

** was Executive Assistant @ Red Bull Racing & Red Bull Technology.

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You seem to know a lot.

What exactly was CH accused of? Suggestive text? Suggestive talk? Slapping her on the ass? Any ideas?
99% of the articles were media hotness and click bait .

From day 1 : I said Horner will be fine .
One thing is for sure , the B1tch with the golden tears is fired !
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Inappropriate and controlling behaviour towards a member of staff .
The B1tch wanted already move to Mercedes in 2023.
If Wolff buys the B1tch , Wolff gets Red Bull Technology .

** was Executive Assistant @ Red Bull Racing & Red Bull Technology.

Let's keep it respectful. The RBR employee has her point of view - no need to call her names. We don't know the details. This was an internal investigation.

Red Bull HQ kept its statement very brief and formal. That's the official position.

Is the RBR employee still part of RBR (different job position) or is she out with some sort of compensation package (the Dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf" had reported that she had rejected a £650K proposal made by Horner's lawyers on Feb 3, 2024) or is she out without anything ? Can she disclose anything about her complaint or did she sign an NDA and a settlement agreement ?

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But it worries me that Erik van Haren reported the £650k offer. Coming up with such a specific amount and publish it in a large national newspaper...
He must have a pretty reliable source for that.
Erik van Haren explained previously in Dutch interviews that he has legal counsel on the case and involves superiors to ensure that he and the newspaper 'De Telegraaf' stay out of legal trouble. He indicated that, in principle, he could publish more of what he has heard, but decided to be cautious and, hence, to only publish what he can back up with evidence. He said something along the lines of "given the delicate nature, we did our home work properly".

As he now mentioned a £650K proposal made on Feb 3: he would be a fool to publish that claim if he has no irrefutable evidence about that. We may reasonably assume that he got OK'd for publication of that tidbit.

The female employee allegedly rejected the £650K proposal. It remains guessing, but it sounds like it's a matter of principle and integrity for her. van Haren claims to know her identity.
What about the rumored possibility for Horner to sue the Dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf" ? He'd better beware because that plan could backfire: risk that the newspaper discloses delicate info to prove its position (they involved legal counsel prior to leaking the Horner complaint). Undoubtedly, RB HQ, RBR and Horner want to turn the page ASAP and move on to 'business as usual', so better don't ruffle feathers.

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