2017 R8 V10 Plus: Can Audi’s Supercar Avoid the Sophomore Slump? - Ignition Ep. 154

[RPiM5]

Still love the new R8.

[Blackraven]

Man that's dope as hell

P.S.
stealth.pilot

Would you consider Natural Aspiration?

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Still love the new R8.

I'm surprised it understeers that badly , Randy really didn't have good things to say about the handling and its Big Willow lap time is very slow . It's barely faster than the new CTS-V and was 2 seconds slower than the old 991.1 Turbo S .

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

Man that's dope as hell

P.S.
stealth.pilot

Would you consider Natural Aspiration?

Nah. I'm a turbo man. Haven't bought a naturally aspirated car since last decade!

Also I am probably going to get slammed by you guys, but I have to write the truth: the R8 is ugly! I was checking one out at Caffeine and Octane and its shape is so boxy and clumsy it could be designed by a Japanese manufacturer. It's almost as if they took the Huracan, and said "how can we make this as ugly as possible so it doesn't compete with the Huracan?). The R8 may have impressive specs on paper but it can't hold a candle to the 911 Turbo S on looks. And if the test above is anything to go by, then the 911 Turbo S is faster too.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Nah. I'm a turbo man. Haven't bought a naturally aspirated car since last decade!

Also I am probably going to get slammed by you guys, but I have to write the truth: the R8 is ugly! I was checking one out at Caffeine and Octane and its shape is so boxy and clumsy it could be designed by a Japanese manufacturer. It's almost as if they took the Huracan, and said "how can we make this as ugly as possible so it doesn't compete with the Huracan?). The R8 may have impressive specs on paper but it can't hold a candle to the 911 Turbo S on looks. And if the test above is anything to go by, then the 911 Turbo S is faster too.

I was so impressed with the one Audi Bethesda let me mess with I almost bought it on the spot. I got home talked to a few R8 owners... In short, they advised to stay away from Non-plus car's even at MSRP unless you just want to be "first" to own it.

Right now shopping for a v10 though. Need one lol

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

I'm surprised it understeers that badly , Randy really didn't have good things to say about the handling and its Big Willow lap time is very slow . It's barely faster than the new CTS-V and was 2 seconds slower than the old 991.1 Turbo S .

Couple of things:

1: I wonder what tyres were on the car, Pirelli; Contis or Michelin;

2: I wonder,if it had the 'Dynamic Steering' package and whether that was causing the mid-corner 'numbness' that Probst mentioned, and

3: you always have to wonder about the alignment.

Bish

[krisnetaji]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Nah. I'm a turbo man. Haven't bought a naturally aspirated car since last decade!

Also I am probably going to get slammed by you guys, but I have to write the truth: the R8 is ugly! I was checking one out at Caffeine and Octane and its shape is so boxy and clumsy it could be designed by a Japanese manufacturer. It's almost as if they took the Huracan, and said "how can we make this as ugly as possible so it doesn't compete with the Huracan?). The R8 may have impressive specs on paper but it can't hold a candle to the 911 Turbo S on looks. And if the test above is anything to go by, then the 911 Turbo S is faster too.

Buying new I would go for the R8. However might as well pony up the cash for a huracan

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by thebishman

Couple of things:

1: I wonder what tyres were on the car, Pirelli; Contis or Michelin;

2: I wonder,if it had the 'Dynamic Steering' package and whether that was causing the mid-corner 'numbness' that Probst mentioned, and

3: you always have to wonder about the alignment.

Bish

It was on the new pzero , similar to what the .2 turbo S has . This is now multiple reviews on both the pzeros and the sport cup 2's that drivers have said the understeer is significant in the R8 , plus it's lap times have not been impressive even on sport cup 2's . In the video you can tell its washing out mid corner so not just a steering feel problem . Its a heavy car too compared to what they claimed as it weighed in at around 3650 .

[thebishman]

Regular P Zeros are a far inferior tyre than the MPSC2, in fact I'd guess that the MPSC2 would be worth at least 2 seconds a lap, and potentially more. I have them on my '15 Z06(7), and they are a phenomenal tyre.


Further, I owned a '10 R8 V10 that once I had it aligned at my local Audi dealership; (it was well off from the factory), handled like it was on rails and felt incredibly 'stable' at speed.

Further, as I mentioned I for one would not buy the car with Dynamic Steering, and I'm wondering if it was contributing to RP's 'angst' mid corner.

Regardless, buying any street car simply to be the 'fastest at a track day' is fraught with peril. There are so many other attributes that make a car 'super' IMHO.

Bish

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by thebishman

Regular P Zeros are a far inferior tyre than the MPSC2, in fact I'd guess that the MPSC2 would be worth at least 2 seconds a lap, and potentially more. I have them on my '15 Z06(7), and they are a phenomenal tyre.


Further, I owned a '10 R8 V10 that once I had it aligned at my local Audi dealership; (it was well off from the factory), handled like it was on rails and felt incredibly 'stable' at speed.

Further, as I mentioned I for one would not buy the car with Dynamic Steering, and I'm wondering if it was contributing to RP's 'angst' mid corner.

Regardless, buying any street car simply to be the 'fastest at a track day' is fraught with peril. There are so many other attributes that make a car 'super' IMHO.

Bish

The new pzero compound on my .2 Turbo S is durometer wise just as soft as a sport cup 2 . No way is it worth two seconds . The Sport cup 2 tread pattern is much more track oriented however so it will be faster . The new pzero ( at least the N2 porsche compound ) is nothing like the old one . (Audi is using the updated pzero as well and have their own R compound ( instead of N ) . As evidenced by the .2 turbo S being tested on it and not the Dunlop sport max like the .1 was and still putting down faster times the N2 Pzero is a very fast tire . Hell at hockenheim the .2 S matched the GT3 RS on sport cup 2's on its pzeros and according to porsche is faster on the ring as well . Lap times are lap times but handling characteristics damn well better be good on a car nearing 200k .

[ur20v]

I am sure a re-alignment will sort the track feel and times- most owners will never go near a track so the car is set to perform well (safe) on the road which it does.

The subtitles are funny- quite a few errors... "changing gear natalie" instead of manually lol

[Niko1414]

Ok alignment fixes the stability and feel, but how do you fix the fugly design???

Huracan all the way.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by ur20v

I am sure a re-alignment will sort the track feel and times- most owners will never go near a track so the car is set to perform well (safe) on the road which it does.

The subtitles are funny- quite a few errors... "changing gear natalie" instead of manually lol

Its highly unlikely that Audi sent its new baby to 3 separate track tests all with "bad alignments " lol . The thing understeers moderately end of story . Most owners won't drive it hard enough to notice though .

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Niko1414

Ok alignment fixes the stability and feel, but how do you fix the fugly design???

Huracan all the way.

I wont comment on the test times, doesnt really matter to me as I dont track all too much but I will say its not that bad on the eyes in person. I saw a few over the past weeks and a supercharged one yesterday at VF Engineering. But there is something off with the rear IMHO.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by 14M5

Buying new I would go for the R8. However might as well pony up the cash for a huracan

Yeah I'm at 184 out the door with tax. Dangerously close to used huracan money lol

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

Yeah I'm at 184 out the door with tax. Dangerously close to used huracan money lol

If you want the fastest get a .2 turbo S . Evo just got 10.5 @132.8 mph in the 1/4 mile in one.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

If you want the fastest get a .2 turbo S . Evo just got 10.5 @132.8 mph in the 1/4 mile in one.

8.6 on 27lbs of boost fixing my leaky BOV. Still good till around 35lbs and zero weight reduction.

Fast is no longer a concern for me on stock/ lightly modified cars anymore lol

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

8.6 on 27lbs of boost fixing my leaky BOV. Still good till around 35lbs and zero weight reduction.

Fast is no longer a concern for me on stock/ lightly modified cars anymore lol

It's just crazy that a stock car now can do 10.4-5 @ 132 mph all day long .

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

It's just crazy that a stock car now can do 10.4-5 @ 132 mph all day long .

Yeah I mean you've got 20/30k cars creeping up on 11s which is insane honestly form the time that even I begun my path to enthusiast around 2009ish lol

I wonder if their will be a ceiling on this power stuff because if another decade goes by and we're just seeing two second drops up and down the price point that means you'll have 8 and 9 second cars in the 70-200k range lol and maybe 10s-11s all day in the lower ranges lol.

I feel like now that we're seeing 10s so cheap, its gotten to the point where it'll actually start being unsafe for the avg. driver that hops in a performance car and has access to that power.

Although I'm sure traction ecu's, tires, etc. will all improve even my power without drag radials I'd be done lol