BMW F10 M5 Prototype Reviews Roll In - 560hp - DCT - New LSD

[Jerk_Circus]

I'll just say one thing. When the e9x M3 was revealed, people said it was underpowered (compared to it's competitors), it was a disappointment compared to the e46, it was too heavy, it didnt rev high enough, the torque was too low, etc... And yet the m3 is still the car to beat.

[lux]

When you start getting up into the 550+hp and 500+lb-ft torque territory, is it better to implement all wheel drive?

There are several high power saloons with different approaches: Panamera Turbo awd technology vs. MB AMG 63's rwd approach.

From what I've read in many magazine reviews is at some point the higher hp/torque becomes uncontrollable without adequate traction.

[Dennis911]

Any power can be controlled by an adequate driver. M GmbH generally sees its customers enjoy being involved into the machinery. AWD would take away a substantial amount of that involvement. See Porsche Turbo vs GT2/3 RS. The "real" drivers´ cars have RWD while the everymans´ supercar Turbo has AWD. That´s the approach I would like to think BMW M GmbH has of its customers.

[Minimization]

I have been driving this point home for two years now; this engine will not put out any more hp or ft lb than the X5/6 M. Look at my old posts here or on M5Board

Why would it? If anything, the X M trucks need more hp given their enormous masses. The extra 5o-60 hp will make up for the added mass over the E60. I believe the ft lb figure will allow it though to smoke an E60.

[bobbyd1961]

Originally Posted by lord.vater

560hp?

0-62 in 4.3? I hope thats the time it took on the snow

WTF

Didnt BMW say "did you think we would give it less power than the x5/x6 M?"
so they gave it 5hp extra? Disappointment here..

i wanted 600 + hp and 0 to 60 in 3-8. its over i aint buying it.

[Diver]

We all seek excess. Wretched excess, when you can get it, is even better.

[Amir]

"Don't judge a cake, when its not well baked"

Patience till the beast is released.

[Kayani_1]

Lot of people lose focus that this things makes tons of more torque then the E60 M5 did. Which is huge when it will come acceleration. As we know BMW is always very conservative with its estimates. I think the new 7-speed DCT and limited slip and huge torque this thing will easily best the E60 M5 or CTS-V.

[MI6]

Soooo sad- the last "M" boss was all about HP......

And yet the E60 M5 was found by many to be lacking......

The new "M" with a new boss will NOT be about HP.........and yet that's exactly what it needs....

The saving grace?

Torque.

It's very possible that even with ONLY 560 bhp the torque will be enough to drop the 0-60 to 3.7, 3.8 sec's......

That's a pretty good improvement over the E60's 4.3-4.4 second times....

[Yogijet]

Can't wait to see it in person at Frankfurt, God willing!

[Toker335i]

i just hope it beats the new CTS-V

[M3_WC]

Oooo...a whole 5hp over the X5M/X6M. Glad to see them put the effort in and not just pull a powerplant off the shelf...Not!

I am so excited they made it 90% quitier than the S85 M5...Not!

[jmunro]

I'd rather have a larger increase in torque than hp, since that's where most of the fun in daily driving is anyway...

[jmunro]

Originally Posted by Toker335i

i just hope it beats the new CTS-V

Hah, I'm not sure it could even beat the new Mustang BOSS

[M5007]

Originally Posted by LemonOne

I say 500hp is already enough. E60 M5 had enough power anyways.
Remember, M cars are not AMGs, meaning they are not made for drag races.
If you expected the new M5 to be a 4.0 sec car, then you should look at a different family sedan
I wouldn't mind taking extra 60hp with the turbos.

It has nothing to do with being a drag car. I had the 2003 M5. With every generation we are to expect more. That car was a rocket on wheels. Now we hear the new one only has 60HP more than the current, it does disappoint. 0-60 are not all that impressive. I saw a stock 2006 M5 eat a Lambo Gellardo. No launch control. I want to see that trend continue.

Give me more HP and better performance!

[Fester]

It's a 7 speed DCT...yay ...must contribute to quick acceleration

[skiernan36]

i only what to know about the cup holders!

[michal12]

I think 0-62 mph in in 4.3sec is good given the RWD setup. There is not enough traction.

Panamera Turbo takes 4.2sec WITH 4WD.

So, once rolling, this M5 will fly.

[bobbyd1961]

and why is bmw taking so long to release? rediculous, they shouldnt have stopped production on the old M5 which appears to be better than the new.

[TonyMeister]

Originally Posted by bobbyd1961

and why is bmw taking so long to release? rediculous, they shouldnt have stopped production on the old M5 which appears to be better than the new.

O rly? Have you already compared both cars to draw this conclusion?

[nbennettksu]

winning

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by E60orBust

Who cares about the CTS-V. Caddy will just come out with a commercial saying "Faster than the BMW M5" with tiny tiny print saying "2010 model", which no one will read and then GMfans will cry their caddy as king. Sort of like the recent batch of Hennessy CTS-V wagon skits Vs 1-2 year old vehicles (Porsche 911 w/tiptronic & Nisson GT-R before the power bump).

You do realize tha the CTS-V has a DETUNED ZR1 engine in it/ All they have to do is turn up the boost, and say..."Still faster than the M5..."

Caddy is serious about this ish, and under Bob Lutz (outgoing), GM has taken a turn, especially Caddy...
and remember it was CTS-V w/automatic that had the 'Ring time, not the MT, which is possibly faster...
Don't under estimate GM or Ford---I have always said, had the Mustang been engineered in Europe, it would be taking out M3s long ago....now you have 5.0 and the 302 putting in work on the overweight m3....like a bbing contest---conditioning can be the key determining factor