F1 2022: Brazilian GP - São Paulo (Nov 13)

[3798j]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Will Buxton (British Formula One digital presenter and reporter who works for Liberty Media):

Anyone else see the irony about talking to Jos about family abuse?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Come on minn19, based on the civil one-on-one conversations we had about this aspect in the past, as well as based on actions that are taken, you are supposed to know that your statement is inaccurate. Don't do that.

Artemis, you seem like a very nice person. But it’s very clear to many of us here that you have chosen sides. As evidenced by what happened a few weeks ago, I’ve only seen you delete and officially warn those from the side you disagree with while never doing it to those you do agree with. All I’m asking for (and others) have ever asked for is if you are going to be a moderator in this section then do it evenly please. Don’t be like a FIA steward we all complain about. ;-)

Most of the non Max fans have been ran out of here for this reason and a few others. There are only a few of us stubborn ones that still hang on from time to time.

[rwheels]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Come on minn19, based on the civil one-on-one conversations we had about this aspect in the past, as well as based on actions that are taken, you are supposed to know that your statement is inaccurate. Don't do that.

This from a fellow countryman, and max lover... Can you address this please?

EDIT by Bimmerpost: addressed.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by minn19

Artemis, you seem like a very nice person. But it’s very clear to many of us here that you have chosen sides. As evidenced by what happened a few weeks ago, I’ve only seen you delete and officially warn those from the side you disagree with while never doing it to those you do agree with. All I’m asking for (and others) have ever asked for is if you are going to be a moderator in this section then do it evenly please. Don’t be like a FIA steward we all complain about. ;-)

Most of the non Max fans have been ran out of here for this reason and a few others. There are only a few of us stubborn ones that still hang on from time to time.

Negative !

1- It's useless to say that I'm 100% MAX fan till I die .

2- I've been warned via PM's by the Belgian moderator Artemis .

3- Artemis is doing a great job at this forum .

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by minn19

Artemis, you seem like a very nice person. But it’s very clear to many of us here that you have chosen sides. As evidenced by what happened a few weeks ago, I’ve only seen you delete and officially warn those from the side you disagree with while never doing it to those you do agree with. All I’m asking for (and others) have ever asked for is if you are going to be a moderator in this section then do it evenly please. Don’t be like a FIA steward we all complain about. ;-)

Most of the non Max fans have been ran out of here for this reason and a few others. There are only a few of us stubborn ones that still hang on from time to time.

Agree with the sentiment the place is very once sided. He is at least trying to do something and we all evolve so I live in hope. Banter is good, ganging up one side against another, as a mod on another form that should NOT be allowed. But this isn’t my forum so I have to live by their rules, this is a great car forum, it could be so much better with a well regulated Motorsport forum.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by minn19

Most of the non Max fans have been ran out of here for this reason and a few others. There are only a few of us stubborn ones that still hang on from time to time.

Or they use that as an excuse.
I've only seen Artemis intervene on certain parameters/keywords that are clearly against the rules.
Besides he's not the only mod on this forum. I'm sure the modteam has some kind of internal consultation with eachother from time to time.

The time I've seen him intervene are in situations that on most fora would have been killed off way sooner with way more bans etc. This is one of the least moderated forums I frequent.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Or they use that as an excuse.
I've only seen Artemis intervene on certain parameters/keywords that are clearly against the rules.
Besides he's not the only mod on this forum. I'm sure the modteam has some kind of internal consultation with eachother from time to time.

The time I've seen him intervene are in situations that on most fora would have been killed off way sooner with way more bans etc. This is one of the least moderated forums I frequent.

I actually agree with some of what you have said here and FWIW, I don’t completely blame him. What is hard though is when he enters the side of an argument and then doesn’t like what the other side says and shuts down discussion by deleting posts and publicly warning people in here. It’s pretty clear both sides get out of line quite often but the enforcement is definitely one sided. Maybe more has been done behind the scenes, many have complained about specific things for years and it still goes on and on.

Maybe a few have used it as an excuse, but the majority have left because it is relentless in here with the Max fanboys. People get tired of constantly getting jumped/ganged up on and move on.

[G30M]

i am not anyone's fan. call it as i see it. you don't be get to the top by letting people through that's all i'll say. also, like father like son. Perez and Max have done everything asked of them. Perez being the support crew, Max to win stuff for RBR, all the drama has been happening behind the scenes until dirty laundry aired by Max and mum. No need for that the poor dog had everything for you.

wonder if the next race will be interesting.

[NYG]

I think the narrative that Artemis moderates "one-sidedly" is silly.

I've been warned by him plenty and he intervenes when a certain fanbase immediately starts involving race - as they typically do.

He's a Max fan and when he defends him, he responds in a super detailed and non-aggressive way with sources. It's just whenever LH44 is involved it immediately turns into some racism/woke discussion and I'm 100% confident that the more outspoken Max fans here, including me, aren't racist AT ALL.

I like a bunch of the guys on here who aren't Max fans but it always has to escalate to something ridiculous. It's the Max era, he's going to be on the highlight reel on anything F1 related. It's okay for someone to debate/comment on all this stuff without feeling like they aren't welcome.

[G30M]

[3798j]

Couple of things come to mind. The petulant, spoiled kid's actions have damaged the Verstappen franchise...and RBR's record of not being able to control its drivers remains intact.

[Killed by Death]

[NYG]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Couple of things come to mind. The petulant, spoiled kid's actions have damaged the Verstappen franchise...and RBR's record of not being able to control its drivers remains intact.

Hasn't damaged Vettel's reputation, hasn't damaged Hamilton's reputation, hasn't damaged Schumacher's reputation, and it certainly hasn't damaged Senna's reputation as the GOAT as he is the only one on this list who was at war with another legendary driver and the FIA.

Verstappen will keep winning and keep building his legacy - all the other stuff will disappear into the wind like it always does.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by NYG

Hasn't damaged Vettel's reputation, hasn't damaged Hamilton's reputation, hasn't damaged Schumacher's reputation, and it certainly hasn't damaged Senna's reputation as the GOAT as he is the only one on this list who was at war with another legendary driver and the FIA.

Verstappen will keep winning and keep building his legacy - all the other stuff will disappear into the wind like it always does.

I do unfortunately agree with this. Besides his fans, most think Max and a lot of his family are jerks anyway and neither will change.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by minn19

I do unfortunately agree with this. Besides his fans, most think Max and a lot of his family are jerks anyway and that won’t change.

Exactly, my opinions of certain drivers will never change and the same goes for everyone else.

These threads will be so much better if we leave all the tabloid stuff out of the conversation that we're all guilty of. The fans care about it more than anyone in F1 does.

What would you have done if Porsche became the engine supplier for Max though?

[TheBingoBalls]

No professional legacy is ever ruined from what happens outside of the profession. You take all the greats in any sport. They all had their flaws whether it was gambling, infidelity to even being considered a piece of shit to most people yet we still celebrate their accomplishments within the sport.

F1 is no different. You can hate VER, VET, HAM, etc but their legacy within F1 will forever be celebrated based on their accomplishments and achievements within F1.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by NYG

Exactly, my opinions of certain drivers will never change and the same goes for everyone else.

These threads will be so much better if we leave all the tabloid stuff out of the conversation that we're all guilty of. The fans care about it more than anyone in F1 does.

What would you have done if Porsche became the engine supplier for Max though?

[NYG]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

No professional legacy is ever ruined from what happens outside of the profession. You take all the greats in any sport. They all had their flaws whether it was gambling, infidelity to even being considered a piece of shit to most people yet we still celebrate their accomplishments within the sport.

F1 is no different. You can hate VER, VET, HAM, etc but their legacy within F1 will forever be celebrated based on their accomplishments and achievements within F1.

This is where the F1/Racing forum brotherhood begins.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

No professional legacy is ever ruined from what happens outside of the profession. You take all the greats in any sport. They all had their flaws whether it was gambling, infidelity to even being considered a piece of shit to most people yet we still celebrate their accomplishments within the sport.

F1 is no different. You can hate VER, VET, HAM, etc but their legacy within F1 will forever be celebrated based on their accomplishments and achievements within F1.

Well OJ, there are exceptions.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by minn19

Well OJ, there are exceptions.

I mean - the first running back to rush for 2k+























That's pretty legit

[minn19]

Originally Posted by NYG

I mean - the first running back to rush for 2k+























That's pretty legit

And possibly the cops, trial………….

[NYG]

Originally Posted by minn19

And possibly the cops, trial………….

Ray Rice is a better one.