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      10-16-2019, 06:05 PM   #45
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Yes, you will shine with your summer when is dry and wonderful and you will shine in your winter when the snow is there. But for everything in between, the all season is the one that will handle everything very well.
Summer tires beat all season tires in every handling situation (accelerating/braking/turns), wet or dry when the temperatures are above 40F.

All season are a compromise between summer/winter tires and master of none. Yes for those that can't or don't want to run 2 sets of wheels/tires they'll make due. For myself (in Seattle) I'd rather take my chances with the unlikely snow surprise. In Seattle we don't get surprise snowfall, we'd see the possibility of light snow probably a week or more in advance but I realize parts of Canada don't have that luxury.

However, more importantly defensive driving can only marginally protect you from dumb drivers losing control of their vehicle or loads where emergency situations on the road might require immediate high speed reactions on a freeway for which a Summer tire would give me an advantage probably 99% of the time.

I agree I don't need a minimum wage tire tech scratching up wheels, so I'd change my 2nd set which I store on a tire rack in the garage. For those that might not have a garage, a stack of tires could easily fit in a small closet.

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No, is not. Know your car and your limits and you will do just fine. A good All Season is quite performant.
So all independent tests are wrong and you are right

Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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I use Nokian winters in the winter and dedicated summers the rest of the year on my Mercedes SUV - the BMW gets parked in the winter. I store the off season tires in my shop and do the re+re myself on my car lift.

To each their own but in our conditions (snowy winter passes with lots of corners) I won't run anything but a dedicated winter.

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So all independent tests are wrong and you are right

Ignorance is bliss I guess.
There are millions of owners who buy those tires and most of them, re-buy them(see reviews). And almost all share the same thoughts and have similar requests/expectations.
There are also a lot of manufacturers that are making these tires. Obviously, there is a certain environment where they are in demand. If they will not be good, nobody will buy them and manufacturers will not make them. Also, if they were not good their specific technical specifications (like speed rating / braking, etc.) will be poor' yet, they are not.
I am also tired of the all-season / all-weather confusion.There a lot of guys in here using the same all-weather tires; I just guess they don't want to have a futile conversation. Terrible idea from my part to have this conversation anyway....

So in your opinion, everyone who buys them is an ignorant.
I quite enjoyed our conversation until you used an uncalled for and arrogant term. Sorry, I will not go that low.
Enjoy your wheel swap.
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i live in the midwest. all seasons is what i put on my civic and it does fine. my friend has all seasons on his m4 and lives in chicago (pilot sport as3). I had these same tires on my f30 rwd 335. Yes you lose some summer time performance but its not major... you're not going to be blowing the tires off in 2nd gear or anything like that. You get like 90% of the super sport performance, but you gain the ability to drive confidently in the snow and freezing temps... which the pilot super sport isn't going to give you.

yes if you plan on driving in blizzards or 6-8+ inches of snow you probably want a dedicated snow tire. At that point your work is probably going to be cancelled anyway.
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Summer tires beat all season tires in every handling situation (accelerating/braking/turns), wet or dry when the temperatures are above 40F.
Many high-performance summer tires trade the ability to channel water for the maximal on-road footprint, e.g. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2, Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R. Some even have disclaimers stating they will not perform well in rain conditions.
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Interesting Comparison

Based on this video, it seems that ALL-WEATHERS (European all-seasons) are just as good as WINTER tires in winter conditions. While also as good as ALL-SEASONS (American all-seasons) in warmer conditions.

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I'm guessing 22m or 72ft is not big difference on stopping.
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