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      03-07-2018, 03:15 AM   #23
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Is there any point in running S2 without running meth? What power gains could one see with just upgraded turbos without meth? Would it also be safe without meth?

Also is it safe to run X without a built engine?
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      03-07-2018, 06:56 AM   #24
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You need meth or an additional fuel source even with stock turbos if you want to push more power.

No, pointless running the X on a stock motor
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Lol.. power goes up from S1->S2->X... I am sure you can figure it out!
You would fail a report at Honda! lol
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      03-07-2018, 11:29 AM   #26
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You would fail a report at Honda! lol
Good to know... negative nelly!
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      03-07-2018, 11:33 AM   #28
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      03-12-2018, 08:56 PM   #29
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Folks - given the evolution of this platform and the various things I have tried, figured it may help make a comparison on upgraded turbo systems.

The supporting mods are relatively the same (although for the Pure X... it was on stock exhaust), but intakes, downpipes, race-gas/methanol are baseline for all the combinations.

I would state that the Pure S1 and S2 plots are pretty much maxing out the turbos. The Pure X has some ways to go (both the turbo and supporting mods) and will update as I get more testing done.

Hope this can be useful in making turbo decisions.
So bang for the buck on a stock engine with jb4+meth...go with pure stage 1 or 2 ?
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      03-13-2018, 01:21 AM   #30
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I would go S2
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      03-13-2018, 10:20 AM   #31
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So bang for the buck on a stock engine with jb4+meth...go with pure stage 1 or 2 ?
Pure stage 1 is 2750$ stage 2 is 5k so there is a difference in pricing , but offer similar power with stage 2 holding the power much better until redline and stage stage 1 spooling faster at lower rpms but not holding full power until redline . Itís all about what you can afford , personally I think Iím gonna go stage 1ís . I wanna hit 750whp with my M5. My question to Allmotor is with my setup which currently is jb4+bcm, dmetuning bef, bms meth kit, catless downpipes and full exhaust will I be able to achieve 750whp at a healthy range with pure stage 1ís without causing any issues to the engine ?
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I would go S2
If you can please answer my question above
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      03-13-2018, 12:43 PM   #33
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Mpowermike i think what you say is right but the quicker spool i dont think will help massively as we overpower the tyres anyway and once you shift into 2nd you dont drop below 5k anyway meaning that s2 difference will be where its at for the rest of the gears.
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Very informative thread as usual allmotor_2000 Thanks
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      03-13-2018, 04:16 PM   #35
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Pure stage 1 is 2750$ stage 2 is 5k so there is a difference in pricing , but offer similar power with stage 2 holding the power much better until redline and stage stage 1 spooling faster at lower rpms but not holding full power until redline . Itís all about what you can afford , personally I think Iím gonna go stage 1ís . I wanna hit 750whp with my M5. My question to Allmotor is with my setup which currently is jb4+bcm, dmetuning bef, bms meth kit, catless downpipes and full exhaust will I be able to achieve 750whp at a healthy range with pure stage 1ís without causing any issues to the engine ?
If you tune it for torque in the 700-750 wtq range you should be fine. Then again everything else must be in good shape like fuel, seals etc.
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All motor with a built engine what's your view on pure stage x vs weistec?
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All motor with a built engine what's your view on pure stage x vs weistec?
I donít know how the Weistec will perform so we have to wait and see. I do know how the Pure X performs! The Pure X is also configurable so we can easily go a little bigger and itís bolt-on to what is on the car!
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All motor with a built engine what's your view on pure stage x vs weistec?
I don’t know how the Weistec will perform so we have to wait and see. I do know how the Pure X performs! The Pure X is also configurable so we can easily go a little bigger and it’s bolt-on to what is on the car!
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super helpful thank you so much this is what I really looking for.
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I want to know
Max boost can hold for, stage 1 stage 2,stage x
If you rebuild your engine ?
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Boost isnít the killer - itís torque. Stock motor with too much torque down low will damage the rods. Power up top wonít be too much of an issue. Nevertheless a bad tune irrespective of built or not can destroy any engine
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Boost isnít the killer - itís torque. Stock motor with too much torque down low will damage the rods. Power up top wonít be too much of an issue. Nevertheless a bad tune irrespective of built or not can destroy any engine
Im on S2 and making 725whp/815wtq on a Mustang Dyno. 815wtq at about 3000rpms. Was thinking of turning it up from 24 to 28psi for 1/4 mile day and roll race event. Want to at least get the rest of the summer out of this engine tho.
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Im on S2 and making 725whp/815wtq on a Mustang Dyno. 815wtq at about 3000rpms. Was thinking of turning it up from 24 to 28psi for 1/4 mile day and roll race event. Want to at least get the rest of the summer out of this engine tho.
Good luck.... thatís living life on the edge!
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Boost isn’t the killer - it’s torque. Stock motor with too much torque down low will damage the rods. Power up top won’t be too much of an issue. Nevertheless a bad tune irrespective of built or not can destroy any engine
Im on S2 and making 725whp/815wtq on a Mustang Dyno. 815wtq at about 3000rpms. Was thinking of turning it up from 24 to 28psi for 1/4 mile day and roll race event. Want to at least get the rest of the summer out of this engine tho.
Damn you guys are brave and balsey holy crap! Good luck!!!
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