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      06-02-2020, 11:39 AM   #1
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2013 with 63k miles - engine blown!

We've had my wife's 2013 M6 vert for four years as of May 28. Purchased CPO with 18k miles. CPO ended March of 2019.

This is our 8th BMW and normally I'd never keep a car like this out of warranty, but it had been rock solid the past couple years, the 5y 0.9% loan ended in a year, and with the wheels curbed and a bunch of dings from wife not being a good driver I let her know the risk and said it's up to you. That obviously didn't work out well!

This car has been driven by my wife 95% of the time in full auto with all comfort settings so definitely not abused. To my knowledge it had shown no symptoms prior to breaking down. It basically just died on the side of the road (thankfully right up the street from our house) and displayed the "Low Battery" indicator.

I tried several times that day to jump it with no success. On the final time I came back 3 hours later and immediately tried to start it and the engine turned over a few times then shut back down. After that I was unable to charge it up/get it to turn over so we had it towed to dealer using the switch under the cup holder to put it into neutral.

I thought for sure it was just the battery, alternator at worst, so imagine my surprise when the shop called and said engine blown! They have quoted me $21k to install a used engine with only 30 day warranty (I honestly don't think they want to take on this job). Obviously BMW dealer would be even more expensive and likely more than the full value of the car.

As of now my wife and I are thinking our best bet is to just pay off the $13k owed on the car, sell it as is to hopefully recoup a small amount, and move on from the ~$25k equity we had in it.

I plan to do a ton of research here so admittedly haven't gotten too far into that yet as I'm a bit in shock. The more I think about it the more appalled I am that this is even remotely a possibility on a $140k msrp car. Especially at barely over 60k miles. It's frankly embarrassing.

A few questions as I am pretty lost right now having never been in this situation -

1. The car has every option I believe other than full leather. White with black merino and CF trim. Does anyone have any idea what we would be looking at value wise for the car as is? Is there anyone out there like Troy Jeup did with the V10s that buys these cars? Is there anywhere you would recommend selling it as is or researching?

2. Is it even worth looking into some sort of good will repair from BMW? As I said it's been a year since CPO ran out and car is at 63k so I am guessing not, but obviously for a straight up loss this big its worth looking into. Unfortunately even if they cut their repair cost in half I'm guessing it would still be in the $20k range and I just can't see spending that and then risking something else breaking.

3. Any other advice you guys have would be much appreciated. As said I really have no idea how to best handle this and frankly the more I think about it the more pissed I am. As a BMW guy thats been around these forums for over a decade I understand it's part of the pay to play deal when you own BMW past warranty, but to nearly anyone else on earth something like this would sound completely ludacris and would compel someone to believe that the car is an absolute piece of junk if it can't go 65k on an engine!

Thanks so much for any help guys!
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      06-02-2020, 12:52 PM   #2
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Ouch. Did you get any more info than "engine blown"?
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      06-02-2020, 02:32 PM   #3
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We've had my wife's 2013 M6 vert for four years as of May 28. Purchased CPO with 18k miles. CPO ended March of 2019.

This is our 8th BMW and normally I'd never keep a car like this out of warranty, but it had been rock solid the past couple years, the 5y 0.9% loan ended in a year, and with the wheels curbed and a bunch of dings from wife not being a good driver I let her know the risk and said it's up to you. That obviously didn't work out well!

This car has been driven by my wife 95% of the time in full auto with all comfort settings so definitely not abused. To my knowledge it had shown no symptoms prior to breaking down. It basically just died on the side of the road (thankfully right up the street from our house) and displayed the "Low Battery" indicator.

I tried several times that day to jump it with no success. On the final time I came back 3 hours later and immediately tried to start it and the engine turned over a few times then shut back down. After that I was unable to charge it up/get it to turn over so we had it towed to dealer using the switch under the cup holder to put it into neutral.

I thought for sure it was just the battery, alternator at worst, so imagine my surprise when the shop called and said engine blown! They have quoted me $21k to install a used engine with only 30 day warranty (I honestly don't think they want to take on this job). Obviously BMW dealer would be even more expensive and likely more than the full value of the car.

As of now my wife and I are thinking our best bet is to just pay off the $13k owed on the car, sell it as is to hopefully recoup a small amount, and move on from the ~$25k equity we had in it.

I plan to do a ton of research here so admittedly haven't gotten too far into that yet as I'm a bit in shock. The more I think about it the more appalled I am that this is even remotely a possibility on a $140k msrp car. Especially at barely over 60k miles. It's frankly embarrassing.

A few questions as I am pretty lost right now having never been in this situation -

1. The car has every option I believe other than full leather. White with black merino and CF trim. Does anyone have any idea what we would be looking at value wise for the car as is? Is there anyone out there like Troy Jeup did with the V10s that buys these cars? Is there anywhere you would recommend selling it as is or researching?

2. Is it even worth looking into some sort of good will repair from BMW? As I said it's been a year since CPO ran out and car is at 63k so I am guessing not, but obviously for a straight up loss this big its worth looking into. Unfortunately even if they cut their repair cost in half I'm guessing it would still be in the $20k range and I just can't see spending that and then risking something else breaking.

3. Any other advice you guys have would be much appreciated. As said I really have no idea how to best handle this and frankly the more I think about it the more pissed I am. As a BMW guy thats been around these forums for over a decade I understand it's part of the pay to play deal when you own BMW past warranty, but to nearly anyone else on earth something like this would sound completely ludacris and would compel someone to believe that the car is an absolute piece of junk if it can't go 65k on an engine!

Thanks so much for any help guys!
That's a nasty thing to happen.... sorry for your situation! Was the car regularly serviced?? These cars are prone to problems if they aren't serviced "more" than Bmw's recommendations......
Hope Bmw help you in one way or another, if they don't I wish you success in whichever way you choose to part company with the vehicle.
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      06-02-2020, 03:02 PM   #4
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Sounds like another rod bearing issue.
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      06-02-2020, 05:11 PM   #5
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      06-02-2020, 08:19 PM   #6
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Sorry to hear Db750 - please keep us appraised of updates.

While my car has done a lot less KMs/miles than yours, hearing this sort of stuff still makes me very nervous... It would be good to see BMW stepping up to the plate to resolve these sorts of issues as a consumer should have a reasonable expectation that the engine would last at least double the amount of miles on your car (if not a lot more).
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      06-02-2020, 09:09 PM   #7
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Sorry to hear that! I'd ask BMW for more information and possibly escalate this within BMW to further investigate especially if the car was not abused and you can show proof the car was well maintained. It's rare but i have seen BMW work with the owner and provide some relief since this is an unusual circumstance and should not happen.

Based on the info provided, I'd imagine you'd have other errors and malfunction that would show if you had blown issue along with symptoms. Just shutting down and low battery doesn't seem to scream blown motor to me. Seems unusual. I'd almost question the dealer further in how they came to that conclusion and what caused it.

Push in BMW USA to investigate this if you can.

If all fails, I'd reach out to Troy or other recommended builders and inquire to have the motor rebuilt. There have been several guys I know that went that route and it was cheaper than BMW dealer and they are happy.

I don't know the cars worth, I'd assume take private car value for the condition and reduce it by the amount to repair the car.

Hit me up if you decide to sell as is. I may be open to a project.
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If you thought it was "just" a battery issue, and you got back, it's the engine, for +$20K, what proof did you get to substantiate their claim?

I'm not here to bash dealers, but when it's on their dime, no problem, but when it's your dime, absolute unquestionable proof should be provided in writing, not email, not over the phone and definitely not in a conversation, that you need that level of work on your car.

Not that all dealers are the same, but I took my car in for an issue, and was told I needed a new engine. I asked why? They took me back and opened the radiator cap and told me to look in...I said OK, what is the problem?...The Tech, with the SA standing right beside me, stated that the white in the coolant means my car has a compromised head or block issue. AND I stated, all I see is a white coolant float? (and showed them that the white moved around, but at first glance, someone could say that the coolant looked milky)

The Tech checked again, and said, "Oh, sorry about that"....and walked away....

Talk about WTF.....the SA even had a quote for an N62B44 replacement already written.....I turned to him, shook my head, and walked out. I've never returned to that BMW dealership again.

Morale of the story, when it's your money, ensure you get proof, or be convinced that the dealership has done their due diligence.

You're better off towing it to a non-dealer shop, get it repaired or replaced, then sell the car. The dealership stands to make a lot of money on your broken car....they may try the, "we'll loose money at the auction, but we'll do it to get you into a new car...." Don't believe that for a second Dealerships loose money on their transactions. The only one that loose are the private seller/trade-in to a dealer or the buyer of a car from the dealer, or both....but NEVER the dealership.

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If you thought it was "just" a battery issue, and you got back, it's the engine, for +$20K, what proof did you get to substantiate their claim?

I'm not here to bash dealers, but when it's on their dime, no problem, but when it's your dime, absolute unquestionable proof should be provided in writing, not email, not over the phone and definitely not in a conversation, that you need that level of work on your car.

Not that all dealers are the same, but I took my car in for an issue, and was told I needed a new engine. I asked why? They took me back and opened the radiator cap and told me to look in...I said OK, what is the problem?...The Tech, with the SA standing right beside me, stated that the white in the coolant means my car has a compromised head or block issue. AND I stated, all I see is a white coolant float? (and showed them that the white moved around, but at first glance, someone could say that the coolant looked milky)

The Tech checked again, and said, "Oh, sorry about that"....and walked away....

Talk about WTF.....the SA even had a quote for an N62B44 replacement already written.....I turned to him, shook my head, and walked out. I've never returned to that BMW dealership again.

Morale of the story, when it's your money, ensure you get proof, or be convinced that the dealership has done their due diligence.

You're better off towing it to a non-dealer shop, get it repaired or replaced, then sell the car. The dealership stands to make a lot of money on your broken car....they may try the, "we'll loose money at the auction, but we'll do it to get you into a new car...." Don't believe that for a second Dealerships loose money on their transactions. The only one that loose are the private seller/trade-in to a dealer or the buyer of a car from the dealer, or both....but NEVER the dealership.

Good Luck!
I agree - seems odd that the error was battery related and you come out with a quite for an engine. I've been in three S63TU cars that experienced blown motors and i guarantee that wasn't the error that popped up and you'll know it's a blown motor. lol. At least that's my experience.

I'd definitely question the dealer and possibly even go as far as having another third party diagnose it and find out what happened. I wouldn't put it passed the dealer to try to cover up their mistakes assuming it came in with a minor issue and turned into something bigger due to their negligence. I hate to sound like I'm bashing the dealer, I'm not, just trying to say to trust but verify.
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Really sorry to hear this. It sounds like a lot of these engines are going around the 60,000 mile and above range.
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I agree... I would get a third party opinion.

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I went through a similar issue with my 13 this past Christmas Eve. Long story short, I ended up going through RK Autowerks. I would absolutely recommend them over any other shop. they are the real deal engine shop. Do your research and speak with the owners of shops.

Reza is personally involved in every deal. He is available to speak to, which is very rare in this industry.

Just my 2c... hope it helps. Good luck!
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Was the engine stock? Even if it wasn't stock, you still have a case.

1. Try to get BMW Customer Relations to understand your case. Get your local trusted BMW dealer to put in a request to have the engine good-willed. If that doesn't work try to escalate it higher to someone at BMW NA.

2. If the above doesn't work. Get a lawyer. Even if your car was out of warranty, your whole engine shouldn't have just died on you like that. You have a case. Trust me. 99% of the time BMW will settle instead of being taken to court.

3. Have you tried your Car Insurance Company? Some guys have had luck through their car insurance company's.

4. Good luck.
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We've had my wife's 2013 M6 vert for four years as of May 28. Purchased CPO with 18k miles. CPO ended March of 2019.

This is our 8th BMW and normally I'd never keep a car like this out of warranty, but it had been rock solid the past couple years, the 5y 0.9% loan ended in a year, and with the wheels curbed and a bunch of dings from wife not being a good driver I let her know the risk and said it's up to you. That obviously didn't work out well!

This car has been driven by my wife 95% of the time in full auto with all comfort settings so definitely not abused. To my knowledge it had shown no symptoms prior to breaking down. It basically just died on the side of the road (thankfully right up the street from our house) and displayed the "Low Battery" indicator.

I tried several times that day to jump it with no success. On the final time I came back 3 hours later and immediately tried to start it and the engine turned over a few times then shut back down. After that I was unable to charge it up/get it to turn over so we had it towed to dealer using the switch under the cup holder to put it into neutral.

I thought for sure it was just the battery, alternator at worst, so imagine my surprise when the shop called and said engine blown! They have quoted me $21k to install a used engine with only 30 day warranty (I honestly don't think they want to take on this job). Obviously BMW dealer would be even more expensive and likely more than the full value of the car.

As of now my wife and I are thinking our best bet is to just pay off the $13k owed on the car, sell it as is to hopefully recoup a small amount, and move on from the ~$25k equity we had in it.

I plan to do a ton of research here so admittedly haven't gotten too far into that yet as I'm a bit in shock. The more I think about it the more appalled I am that this is even remotely a possibility on a $140k msrp car. Especially at barely over 60k miles. It's frankly embarrassing.

A few questions as I am pretty lost right now having never been in this situation -

1. The car has every option I believe other than full leather. White with black merino and CF trim. Does anyone have any idea what we would be looking at value wise for the car as is? Is there anyone out there like Troy Jeup did with the V10s that buys these cars? Is there anywhere you would recommend selling it as is or researching?

2. Is it even worth looking into some sort of good will repair from BMW? As I said it's been a year since CPO ran out and car is at 63k so I am guessing not, but obviously for a straight up loss this big its worth looking into. Unfortunately even if they cut their repair cost in half I'm guessing it would still be in the $20k range and I just can't see spending that and then risking something else breaking.

3. Any other advice you guys have would be much appreciated. As said I really have no idea how to best handle this and frankly the more I think about it the more pissed I am. As a BMW guy thats been around these forums for over a decade I understand it's part of the pay to play deal when you own BMW past warranty, but to nearly anyone else on earth something like this would sound completely ludacris and would compel someone to believe that the car is an absolute piece of junk if it can't go 65k on an engine!

Thanks so much for any help guys!
Any outcome to report on this, OP?
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Couple things to think of:
1. Can you inquire with your insurance company and see if there is any help they can provide? Thinking.. write off the car and take what you can get for it.

2. If you do get it repaired with a new motor (if that is what is needed), the resale will suffer a loss as soon as you say "new engine" and no warranty passed that 30 day.
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Sorry to hear, mine also went right around the same miles.

Battery light does sound weird though... Not sure what would cause that?
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Sorry to hear, mine also went right around the same miles.

Battery light does sound weird though... Not sure what would cause that?
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