Considering keeping my F10 M5 long term

[Smurfzilla]

So I bought my car a few months ago and thanks to pandemic I barely drive it. Which is kinda ok because I've been reading all the stories about maintenance, repairability....both good and bad.

I dont mind if I have to do rod bearings, I dont mind replacing wear and tear items.....between a indy and my limited mechanical know how its reality I accept. When I bought the car I got a 3rd party warranty for 2 years. So I'm trying to determine if I a) sell the car after the 3rd party warranty is up and get something else that "MAY" be cheaper to maintain or b) keep it, baby it and fix/be proactive on maintenance to lessen the possibility of something major needing to be repaired.

The motor seems bullet proof enough. i've seen some of the horror stories about flashing it (bootmod3) but it seems if you get a flash thats a bit more on the conservative side (or keeps torque low in the lower rpm range) it will "seem" to have a negligible effect on reliability.

My warranty is pretty strict. If I flash it and something happens to the motor they wont cover which seems fairly obvious. So I havent flashed the car and I only bought an axle back exhaust (Turner aka Corsa) that i have yet to install (seems the stock exhaust is fairly good so I';m literally doing it for looks and sound....car is too damn quiet).

Initially I was leaning towards selling it and hopping into a 3rd gen CTS-V but I started warming up to the idea of keeping it. I called one reputable indy thats local and asked if it made sense to keep the car if i was going to be conservative on the modifications keep it a weekend driver and be willing to deal with repairs that were anywhere from 0-6k (not regularly but in case some shit fails).

They told me get rid of it because the DCT failing is an eventuality not a possibility. I have not seen that anecdotal evidence online or in this forum. It seemed like most info I found was centered around putting better clutches in, am i missing something?

I guess my question is if I'm ready to deal with the regular BMW "quirks" in term of random things failing and a major repair from time to time (like rod bearings which was surprisingly not as bad I assumed it would be) does it make sense to plan to keep this car as long as financially possible?

whats everyone's take?

[Noggie]

I have typically had my cars long term in the past, partly because I used to have a job that took me out of country for about 6 months of the year, partly because I really liked the cars.

My last two daily drivers, an E46 M3 I had for 6 years, my M550D I had for 5 years 4 months.

Bought my M5 a year ago, and this week a guy texted me and wondered if I wanted to sell it.
He offered me pretty much what I paid for it a year ago, but I have spent some money on it so I'm not sure.
I looked for an F90, but they are twice the price, which I really dont feel like paying at this point in time.

I'm so pleased with the F10 that I plan to keep it for another 2-3 years.
I'm not to worried about the reliability, all comes down to how its used, any car can be broken if abused.

[Sweattdogg]

I'm not aware of massive DCT issues. I believe the same tranny in e9x m3 many with high miles. I changed my DCT oil and filters at 80k and the fluid looked great but PO drove almost all highway miles

[santamonica00]

Originally Posted by Noggie

I have typically had my cars long term in the past, partly because I used to have a job that took me out of country for about 6 months of the year, partly because I really liked the cars.

My last two daily drivers, an E46 M3 I had for 6 years, my M550D I had for 5 years 4 months.

Bought my M5 a year ago, and this week a guy texted me and wondered if I wanted to sell it.
He offered me pretty much what I paid for it a year ago, but I have spent some money on it so I'm not sure.
I looked for an F90, but they are twice the price, which I really dont feel like paying at this point in time.

I'm so pleased with the F10 that I plan to keep it for another 2-3 years.
I'm not to worried about the reliability, all comes down to how its used, any car can be broken if abused.

550D! If only we got that in the states!

[Noggie]

Originally Posted by santamonica00

550D! If only we got that in the states!

Yeah, probably the most bang for bucks BMW offer.
My old 2012 had stock 381hp/740nm, a stage two tune put it up at 440hp/830nm.
With a average mix consumption tuned at 9l/100km (26mpg), and my highway cruise as low as 6l/100km (39mpg).

Not as brutal as the M5, more a steady even push, the X-drive system is also electronically limited up to about 15-20mph to protect the gearbox and drivetrain, so the car is a little disappointing up to that speed, then its just a steady push like a plane taking off.

The M5 is a lot less refined, its brutal and direct, more fun

As a daily driver or cross county driving, 50D models is a perfect package, low consumption and sufficient power to put most other cars in their place, hence why I ended up keeping it for that long.

[Smurfzilla]

Yeah I def dont abuse my cars.....Hell as intoxicating as it is I barely put all the settings in sport plus. I flip between efficient/comfort and sport. I reserve sport+ for open highways, on ramps and the occasional rural road romp

When the BMW indy told me the DCT was need to be repaired/replaced it def scared me.

[Craze]

Ive never heard of anyone replacing a dct aside from 458 owners when it skips odd gear numbers
Was very common

[4point8]

Originally Posted by Smurfzilla

So I bought my car a few months ago and thanks to pandemic I barely drive it. Which is kinda ok because I've been reading all the stories about maintenance, repairability....both good and bad.

I dont mind if I have to do rod bearings, I dont mind replacing wear and tear items.....between a indy and my limited mechanical know how its reality I accept. When I bought the car I got a 3rd party warranty for 2 years. So I'm trying to determine if I a) sell the car after the 3rd party warranty is up and get something else that "MAY" be cheaper to maintain or b) keep it, baby it and fix/be proactive on maintenance to lessen the possibility of something major needing to be repaired.

The motor seems bullet proof enough. i've seen some of the horror stories about flashing it (bootmod3) but it seems if you get a flash thats a bit more on the conservative side (or keeps torque low in the lower rpm range) it will "seem" to have a negligible effect on reliability.

My warranty is pretty strict. If I flash it and something happens to the motor they wont cover which seems fairly obvious. So I havent flashed the car and I only bought an axle back exhaust (Turner aka Corsa) that i have yet to install (seems the stock exhaust is fairly good so I';m literally doing it for looks and sound....car is too damn quiet).

Initially I was leaning towards selling it and hopping into a 3rd gen CTS-V but I started warming up to the idea of keeping it. I called one reputable indy thats local and asked if it made sense to keep the car if i was going to be conservative on the modifications keep it a weekend driver and be willing to deal with repairs that were anywhere from 0-6k (not regularly but in case some shit fails).

They told me get rid of it because the DCT failing is an eventuality not a possibility. I have not seen that anecdotal evidence online or in this forum. It seemed like most info I found was centered around putting better clutches in, am i missing something?

I guess my question is if I'm ready to deal with the regular BMW "quirks" in term of random things failing and a major repair from time to time (like rod bearings which was surprisingly not as bad I assumed it would be) does it make sense to plan to keep this car as long as financially possible?

whats everyone's take?

i personally havent seen the dct trans on the f10 m5 go out often ... i think many of us say that because of the old smg trans that always took a dump ... id playit safe and change the trans fluid every 80k, wouldnt hurt right?

[santamonica00]

Originally Posted by Noggie

Yeah, probably the most bang for bucks BMW offer.
My old 2012 had stock 381hp/740nm, a stage two tune put it up at 440hp/830nm.
With a average mix consumption tuned at 9l/100km (26mpg), and my highway cruise as low as 6l/100km (39mpg).

Not as brutal as the M5, more a steady even push, the X-drive system is also electronically limited up to about 15-20mph to protect the gearbox and drivetrain, so the car is a little disappointing up to that speed, then its just a steady push like a plane taking off.

The M5 is a lot less refined, its brutal and direct, more fun

As a daily driver or cross county driving, 50D models is a perfect package, low consumption and sufficient power to put most other cars in their place, hence why I ended up keeping it for that long.

Amazing. I'll have to wait 25 years to get that to clear customs in California!

[Smurfzilla]

Originally Posted by 4point8

i personally havent seen the dct trans on the f10 m5 go out often ... i think many of us say that because of the old smg trans that always took a dump ... id playit safe and change the trans fluid every 80k, wouldnt hurt right?

yeah I was already pricing out the trans fluid kit from ECS and planning to do it next month. I barely drive the car and the trans has been problem so this is def preventative.

[Greer]

Why not upgrade and get a used F90 M5? 4 wheel drive is great, it's faster and handles better.

[Noggie]

Originally Posted by Greer

Why not upgrade and get a used F90 M5? 4 wheel drive is great, it's faster and handles better.

I would love to, sadly a F90 is about double in price from my F10.

I was offered 88.000usd for my -14 F10 last week ( I live in a heavily taxed country) it is one of very few Imola red cars, only one in my country and this guy wanted it.
The cheapest F90 for sale in my country is 160.000usd.
I found one Imola red -19 I wanted in Germany, with tax that would be 175.000usd.
Ordering a new F90 LCI to my spec, will set me back over 220.000usd.

I simply did not want to shed out 70-85.000usd for an upgrade at this time, so I'll stick with the F10 another 2-3 years.

[SpeedProtocol]

Originally Posted by Greer

Why not upgrade and get a used F90 M5? 4 wheel drive is great, it's faster and handles better.

Because they still have massive depreciation left in them maybe? they are literally twice as much right now for a 2018.

[Jasoneo5]

Bought my M6 GC with 50k miles from a BMW dealer in 2017 for $43k (got a steal) with every option but comp pack. Just sold it 3.5 years later with 70k miles for $37k. Didn't even change the brakes or front tires.

Point: They hold value better than you'd like if you buy at the right time

[Smurfzilla]

aka after the 1st 3-5 years of ownership. I got my 14 for 30k. I may consider getting a F90 if my ownership experience goes well with this one. I love the car. I'm just trying not to stress of anecdotal experiences. I had a 335i before this and it had higher miles and I felt like towards the end i was replacing everything......I attempted to fix a coolant leak about 5 times and was about to give up and tow it to an indy and my wife convinced me to look and see if I could get into a M5 finally. Luck was on my side.

[94jedi]

My CPO warranty runs out at the end of this month. My car has been under warranty it's whole life. As much as I'd like to get an M6 coupe, and E60 M5 (love that S85) or an e9x M3 (miss my slick top E90)...My car is near perfect, I'm really not sure I can give it up. Not to mention, it's rock solid on the dinan (weaker I know) stg1 tune. I don't know...I'm honestly considering selling it...but I will likely regret as I don't think I'll find a better maintained M car out there.

[chong0]

Originally Posted by 94jedi

My CPO warranty runs out at the end of this month. My car has been under warranty it's whole life. As much as I'd like to get an M6 coupe, and E60 M5 (love that S85) or an e9x M3 (miss my slick top E90)...My car is near perfect, I'm really not sure I can give it up. Not to mention, it's rock solid on the dinan (weaker I know) stg1 tune. I don't know...I'm honestly considering selling it...but I will likely regret as I don't think I'll find a better maintained M car out there.

I bought the extended warranty and basically flushed the money down the toilet.

no issues aside from wearable items. AC condenser died at 30k but bulletproof so far (have 6 speed not dct)

[A3ch]

I think I'll enjoy it stock for now and revisit in a year. I don't drive it often so it always feels like new money when I hop in.... And that's on sport.... Not even sport+

[CHEFJAVF10]

Originally Posted by Noggie

I would love to, sadly a F90 is about double in price from my F10.

I was offered 88.000usd for my -14 F10 last week ( I live in a heavily taxed country) it is one of very few Imola red cars, only one in my country and this guy wanted it.
The cheapest F90 for sale in my country is 160.000usd.
I found one Imola red -19 I wanted in Germany, with tax that would be 175.000usd.
Ordering a new F90 LCI to my spec, will set me back over 220.000usd.

I simply did not want to shed out 70-85.000usd for an upgrade at this time, so I'll stick with the F10 another 2-3 years.

If you own a f10 imola red keep it forever

[CHEFJAVF10]

Originally Posted by chong0

I bought the extended warranty and basically flushed the money down the toilet.

no issues aside from wearable items. AC condenser died at 30k but bulletproof so far (have 6 speed not dct)

Nice I enjoy my 6 speed 💪🏽 As well ...? When should I consider changing the transmission oil?

[Smurfzilla]

based on anecdotal remarks on this forum before 100k.....60-80k seems to be the range

[INFURNO]

I'll be passing 120,000 miles some time this week. In hindsight, I'm sure as hell happy I didn't get an extended warranty. They wanted between $6,000 and $8,000 for it. I would of never used it. And nothing really gave me reason to worry so I wasn't even buying "peace of mind"

Now that I've nearly paid everything off I'm comfortable driving to 180,000 or 200,000 who knows. There's no other car that justifies another loan right now. Even the 2013 is still (in my opinion) the best sedan you can buy.

Now that I've said this.. the engine will fall out.

While I stand by all of the above... living without a warranty isn't for everyone. If it helps you sleep at night.. worth it. If you're not mechanically knowledgeable.. if you don't know what to listen for, what to feel, or what to smell before it blows up.. If you don't check your fluids, keep an eye on what goes in and out.. If you can't do your own work.. Get a warranty.