Traction control was off. Hit two curbs

[roscopeeco]

As the title states I the right and left curbs when I gunned it from a turn. I forgot traction control was off. I was able to drive it home, but I got brake warning on the main screen and night vision disabled. Obviously I have damaged the front suspension. Is my car going to be totaled?

[Ickdeep]

It just depends after you get it checked out. The thing about a car being total is that it depends on the cost of repair to car valve. I'd say atleast you were able to drive it home but hard to say.

[roscopeeco]

Yeah. The right wheel when parked is facing towards the right. The left front seems to be straight but hard to say since I hit both right and left curb. There is no body damage which surprises me. I guess the curbs were not that big.

[Craze]

I doubt it

It will probably be a bit to fix but not write off

[mister2d]

Originally Posted by roscopeeco

Yeah. The right wheel when parked is facing towards the right. The left front seems to be straight but hard to say since I hit both right and left curb. There is no body damage which surprises me. I guess the curbs were not that big.

Sounds like you busted your control arm at the very least.

Also in principle, you should never gun it while in a turn. Traction control or not. Treat a turn like an apex and do all your necessary braking before entering the turn or apex and perform acceleration as you're leaving the apex. Affectionately called braking and entering.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by mister2d

Sounds like you busted your control arm at the very least.

Also in principle, you should never gun it while in a turn. Traction control or not. Treat a turn like an apex and do all your necessary braking before entering the turn or apex and perform acceleration as you're leaving the apex. Affectionately called braking and entering.

'Braking and entering' love it. Agree,in Porsche 911 speak it's slow in, fast out.

[roscopeeco]

I was actually going straight. I just finished making a left turn 90 degrees. I’ve had the car for two months. I looked at the tires and they aren’t in good shape. The car has 35k miles on it and the tires look like they have never been replaced.

[Aceway]

Driver mod needed...

[OneExtra]

Originally Posted by roscopeeco

I was actually going straight. I just finished making a left turn 90 degrees. I’ve had the car for two months. I looked at the tires and they aren’t in good shape. The car has 35k miles on it and the tires look like they have never been replaced.

Maybe buy a Prius and learn how to drive first

[boots]

Sell your m5. You hurt her bad. kids. lol

[Dwaynos]

I think the guy was looking for good advice not criticism. Shit happens, get it fixed out of your own pocket if possible and get back to driving it. Careful though as it's a very powerful car which you have found out. Get used to modulating the throttle with traction on then MDM. I've not bothered going any further. I drive in MDM all the time except when its wet.

[schrickm5]

Put some new tires (I suggest Michelin PS4's)... and take it easy.
Good luck with the repairs.

[technician117]

No need to over react. Your car is not totaled. Even if the front subframe got damaged, they can just replace it. A friend of mine owns a 2010 335xi and slid into a curb with the rear wheel. They had to replace most of the rear suspension, the subframe, wheel, etc. WAYYY more stuff than you would think but it didn't total the car... a 10 year car with 110,000 miles on it that's worth much less than an M5.

Take this as a good lesson. Practice controlling and learning the limits of the car in a safe environment and then buy some nice tires.

[OneExtra]

Originally Posted by Dwaynos

I think the guy was looking for good advice not criticism. Shit happens, get it fixed out of your own pocket if possible and get back to driving it. Careful though as it's a very powerful car which you have found out. Get used to modulating the throttle with traction on then MDM. I've not bothered going any further. I drive in MDM all the time except when its wet.

I thought being British you might have a sense of humour

[roscopeeco]

I don't mind the jokes honestly. I am an idiot. I could floor my raptor and nothing happened. This thing will get sideways quick.

I just want some advice. The technician said I need a knew left front knuckle, lower control arm and steering gear (rack and pinion)? He stated that anytime there is a hard collision on the suspension that the rack and pinion need to be replaced. He said that part alone is 3500. I did a google search and found it for 1800. They will call me later today with the final numbers. I just hope they break the price down in parts in labor. If they try to sell me a rack and pinion for 3500 then I will show them the one I find.

I don't know enough about cars and suspension to know if the steering gear needs to be replaced. It is not bent at all.

[kong24680]

Had a similar incident happen when I first started driving. Ended up replacing a front rim, upper and lower control arm, tie rod, and wheel bearing. Did the work myself and learned a valuable lesson... I would recommend buying all the parts you need online and having an indie shop install. Shouldn't be that expensive

[mister2d]

Originally Posted by roscopeeco

I don't mind the jokes honestly. I am an idiot. I could floor my raptor and nothing happened. This thing will get sideways quick.

I just want some advice. The technician said I need a knew left front knuckle, lower control arm and steering gear (rack and pinion)? He stated that anytime there is a hard collision on the suspension that the rack and pinion need to be replaced. He said that part alone is 3500. I did a google search and found it for 1800. They will call me later today with the final numbers. I just hope they break the price down in parts in labor. If they try to sell me a rack and pinion for 3500 then I will show them the one I find.

I don't know enough about cars and suspension to know if the steering gear needs to be replaced. It is not bent at all.

You're not an idiot. You just don't have a good technique for this type of car. My advise would be to let the auto insurance take care of the bill instead of paying out of pocket and use the cash on one of BMW performance driving schools. Knowing how drive these cars is more valuable than you might think. I've attended plenty and the skills you learn will apply to most anything you can drive.

[Dwaynos]

Originally Posted by OneExtra

I thought being British you might have a sense of humour

I do but you could have a giggle at his expense then give him some advice. Theres nothing worse than seeking help and getting nothing back from people that can help. Happens all to often on this forum.

[roscopeeco]

Originally Posted by kong24680

Had a similar incident happen when I first started driving. Ended up replacing a front rim, upper and lower control arm, tie rod, and wheel bearing. Did the work myself and learned a valuable lesson... I would recommend buying all the parts you need online and having an indie shop install. Shouldn't be that expensive

Yes. I don't know why they are telling me I need the whole steering assembly instead of just the tie rod for the left side. I found the parts for about 1,500 total and they are talking about 6k in parts and labor. I am currently working in Wisconsin but from Tennessee. If I were at home, I have someone that can put them on. I have to pay my deductible of 1k to get it fixed and then insurance goes up.

BTW, I am looking for black 343 20 inch rims if anyone reading has them.

[buggiesm5]

Originally Posted by roscopeeco

Yes. I don't know why they are telling me I need the whole steering assembly instead of just the tie rod for the left side. I found the parts for about 1,500 total and they are talking about 6k in parts and labor. I am currently working in Wisconsin but from Tennessee. If I were at home, I have someone that can put them on. I have to pay my deductible of 1k to get it fixed and then insurance goes up.

BTW, I am looking for black 343 20 inch rims if anyone reading has them.

Can we see the pics of the car?

[roscopeeco]

the body is fine. there is just some rash on the bottom of lip. The wheel on the driver side is facing left about 10 degrees when the wheels are straight. I looked underneath the car when it was on the lift at the shop. lower control arm definitely bent. knuckle definitely bent too on drivers side front. The steering rack is not damaged.

I wish I had pics.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by roscopeeco

I don't mind the jokes honestly. I am an idiot. I could floor my raptor and nothing happened. This thing will get sideways quick.

I just want some advice. The technician said I need a knew left front knuckle, lower control arm and steering gear (rack and pinion)? He stated that anytime there is a hard collision on the suspension that the rack and pinion need to be replaced. He said that part alone is 3500. I did a google search and found it for 1800. They will call me later today with the final numbers. I just hope they break the price down in parts in labor. If they try to sell me a rack and pinion for 3500 then I will show them the one I find.

I don't know enough about cars and suspension to know if the steering gear needs to be replaced. It is not bent at all.

Yep these modern turbo Ms with lots of torque will get side ways quick. When I attend BMW school, on the wet skid pad, the main purpose was not to teach you how to drift (which is a difficult skill to learn in such short time) but to let you know the difference between having DSC on and DSC off. Everyone spun the car when told to step on the throttle with DSC off.

The funny thing was those who thinks they can drive actually did the worst. Most students when they spun they hit the brake and the car came to a stop. But some will counter steer trying to save the car but without proper feel and throttle/steering control, the car will shift momentum and then actually spin the other way. On the road this just means you will hit more stuff.

Be careful out there next time and be mindful of your car's settings.,