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      09-18-2021, 10:36 AM   #463
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Are you tossers still going on about this? The stewards found VER predominantly responsible for which he received a 3 place grid penalty. Move along now.
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Check out the racing line from Norris vs HAM !

Why is HAM suddenly running so (too) wide ?
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Interesting difference between how much space HAM left Max on Monza and how much space Max left HAM on Silverstone:

Monza:




Silverstone:
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C'mon Guido. You are not that blind. Take out your sliderule and show us how wide the track is. That's a stupid comparison and way below your intelligence level.
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"Forced off track" : 3D Reconstruction & Analysis !

The sausage kerb (installed with FIA approval) was also partly to blame for Max's uncontrollable trip and without doubt before T I Ham moving across ''from the racing line'' caused Max to take avoiding action and into an impossible situation while he was faster than Ham there.
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Why would the width of the track be of influence of how much space you leave the other car?
The chicane on Monza is wide enough for 2 cars to pass side by side; HAM showed us that when he went through side by side with NOR, so it's not that there isn't enough room on the tarmac.

This was just an objective comparison of how much room there was between curb and car. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Interesting difference between how much space HAM left Max on Monza and how much space Max left HAM on Silverstone:

Monza:




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Oh oh spot on there Guido,now we see the gaps..clearly seen,except for the Ham preachers hahaha
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OHH PLEASE...enough already

Why don't you guys (M Power Belgium & M5 Rick) just start your own thread & post all your unbiased & insightful Max related stuff in there.

I did try posting a poll to see if the majority of posters here enjoy reading M Power Belgium & M5 Ricks posts about Max or if you'd rather they posted all of that stuff in its own dedicated thread but just couldn't work out how to do it from my kindle
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      09-18-2021, 12:04 PM   #471
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OHH PLEASE...enough already

Why don't you guys (M Power Belgium & M5 Rick) just start your own thread & post all your unbiased & insightful Max related stuff in there.

I did try posting a poll to see if the majority of posters here enjoy reading M Power Belgium & M5 Ricks posts about Max or if you'd rather they posted all of that stuff in its own dedicated thread but just couldn't work out how to do it from my kindle
F1 threads are made to share our/your thoughts ,opinions and the latest MAX vs HAM discussions !

Mate . We never forced you to read our posts..
Advice : Feel free to block our posts !
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Are you tossers still going on about this? The stewards found VER predominantly responsible for which he received a 3 place grid penalty. Move along now.
It was the wrong decision according to new filming, camera angles and timings leading up to the contact.
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I did try posting a poll to see if the majority of posters here enjoy reading M Power Belgium & M5 Ricks posts about Max or if you'd rather they posted all of that stuff in its own dedicated thread but just couldn't work out how to do it from my kindle
Even so, you're not a moderator.
This is a forum. Members have the choice of participating in a discussion or not.
Not to forbid a discussion to take place. That is only for moderators/administrators.

You have the choice to just don't read it
You can even hide members posts' afaik
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F1 threads are made to share our/your thoughts ,opinions and the latest MAX vs HAM discussions !

Mate . We never forced you to read our posts..
Advice : Feel free to block our posts !
But mate, your posts are like a bad car crash, when I come across them in a thread about each F1 race I just have to read them whether I want to or not....however if you guys had your own dedicated thread for all your conspiracy theories I would then have to make the conscious decision whether or not to open that particular Pandoras Box
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But mate, your posts are like a bad car crash, when I come across them in a thread about each F1 race I just have to read them whether I want to or not....however if you guys had your own dedicated thread for all your conspiracy theories I would then have to make the conscious decision whether or not to open that particular Pandoras Box
MAX vs HAM is the '2021 F1 Pandora's box !

Would you change that ?

Or do you want to watch races again like in the last 7 years ?
The 2 Merc's on P1 and P2 and the rest of the field ran out of sight or lapped !
After 5 laps the races were over !

As far as I know . "BY MAX" : F1 is back alive !
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You can even hide members posts' afaik
Wait, really? These threads would be semi tolerable without the posts of an individual, or two.

On topic: let's be real, this was a racing incident. Both are to blame. Arguing anything else seems to come down to bias towards one driver or another.
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Wait, really? These threads would be semi tolerable without the posts of an individual, or two.

On topic: let's be real, this was a racing incident. Both are to blame. Arguing anything else seems to come down to bias towards one driver or another.
Both are to blame ?
So , why MAX got a 3 place grid penalty ? And HAM got nothing ?
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Interesting difference between how much space HAM left Max on Monza and how much space Max left HAM on Silverstone

Why would you use two different tracks as an example when a literal carbon copy happened on lap one (or at least early in the race). The one where Lewis avoided an incident by bailing out and cutting the corner.

Show me that side by side and the lines and then you have a discussion.
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Wait, really? These threads would be semi tolerable without the posts of an individual, or two.

On topic: let's be real, this was a racing incident. [SIZE="4"]Both are to blame[/SIZE]. Arguing anything else seems to come down to bias towards one driver or another.
Both are to blame ?
So , why MAX got a 3 place grid penalty ? And HAM got nothing ?
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Wait, really? These threads would be semi tolerable without the posts of an individual, or two.

On topic: let's be real, this was a racing incident. [SIZE="4"]Both are to blame[/SIZE]. Arguing anything else seems to come down to bias towards one driver or another.
Both are to blame ?
So , why MAX got a 3 place grid penalty ? And HAM got nothing ?
Because the stewards don't have a very good track record for applying appropriate blame and penalties in these types situations. That's why.
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Wait, really? These threads would be semi tolerable without the posts of an individual, or two.

On topic: let's be real, this was a racing incident. Both are to blame. Arguing anything else seems to come down to bias towards one driver or another.
Indeed you can. It makes the F1 threads readable again.
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Because the stewards don't have a very good track record for applying appropriate blame and penalties in these types situations. That's why.
So , actually the race stewards really s@ck ? Isn't it ?

Or as usual , Mercedes got a preferential treatment ?
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So , actually the race stewards really s@ck ? Isn't it ?

Or as usual , Mercedes got a preferential treatment ?
Probably a bit of both if we're being honest.. But definitely the first one.
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Probably a bit of both if we're being honest.. But definitely the first one.
Yeah I agree . Let's say It's a combination of both ...

It's actually a shame for motorsports !
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Indeed you can. It makes the F1 threads readable again.
I couldn't agree more !
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