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My neither. You can buy it out at anytime. At 0% using their funding allows you to earn interest elsewhere on your cash. Although admitedly returns are not good in the uk at the moment.
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I have been assured I can buy out anytime once signed up, but I will double check that Saturday.
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I have had Audi's and BMW's and I am currently cross shopping between an Audi S6 (Daytona Gray) and a BMW M5 (Space Gray). I like gray, what can I tell you! I have driven both extensively in many types of conditions. They are not as far apart as many would believe. They are both tackling the same problem but from two very different approaches. And that is to be an executive car with a performance edge. If someone is buying either as a track warrior, than you are buying the wrong car. There are faster and better track cars at a fraction of the price. And there are far and away superior cars near this price range in terms of track performance. Both cars make compromises to accomplish their goals. And there is nothing wrong with that. Also, to say the Audi S cars compete with the 335i, the 550... is really not accurate. Audi S cars are stuck in the middle somewhere. And to be honest the RS cars I have driven are really not that significantly greater than the S version. In real world driving characteristics and car features the Audi delivers 80% if not more at about 70% of the price. Both cars are significantly underrated. In addition, the bandwidth in the Audi motor is much greater and cheaper to unleash. For example, a 60hp tune for the M5 is going for about $2500+, whereas you can get a 120hp tune for the S6 for about $1500. The breadth of tuning available, does go straight to the BMW, no doubt about that. With that said, what do the cars give you?
Audi S6: In real world driving, the fact is that the S6 will beat the M5 to 60 and will keep up in the 1/4 mile. For 90%+ of your driving that is what you will do. It is intoxicating to floor the car (or use launch control in an AWD vehicle) and have full power unleashed with no wheel spin. Yes the steering is looser in the Audi and it does understeer. But for most if not all conditions you would find on the road, the AWD and torque vectoring does a superb job. In addition the S6 begins to push more of the weight back to the middle. I have yet to see an M5 owner doing a power slide at 80+ mph on a highway ramp. While the M5 has superior chasis dynamics, for most people and most conditions it doesn't really shine until you get it off the road. Yes there are glimmers of it and you begin to feel it on the road. The gas mileage of the S6 bests the M5. The reliability of Audi is getting very good. I hang out on both Audi and BMW boards and I can tell you that you rarely hear of anyone with any problems on their S cars. With a $1400 tune you can get 0-60 in 3.5 and 1/4 mile in the 11.6 to 11.7 all day. The interior is a wash in my perspective. There are some things that Audi does better and somethings that BMW does better. The gauge cluster in the Audi is superior, you can get real carbon fiber inlays, you can get WiFi for your occupants, Google Maps integrated into the Navigation. The fit and finish are pretty comparable with a slight edge to the Audi, although I do miss the full leather you can get in the BMW. The LED headlights in the Audi are the best out there and look awesome. The surround cameras are better in the Audi. The 360degree view is more complete. I like the full support that the Audi sport seats provide. BMW M5: The handling feel in the M5 is great. It is not the best that BMW has produced and it has a slightly numb feeling in it, but I would still put it up in great. I like the thicker wheel in the M5, and even though it is numb, I like how it communicates. While around town the S6, even stock feels and sometimes is quicker, you can feel that the BMW has some lungs and the faster you get the more it feels that it has more in it than the Audi. The heads up display is better in the BMW. The car feels more solid than the Audi. The full leather in the M5 is impressive. The 10" screen is impressive as well. While the Audi gives you a broad range of adjustments to the car's parameters, the BMW you can really feel a difference. In the Audi, each change only feels like a 10% difference, whereas in the BMW you are feeling more like a 30% difference in feel for things like throttle response, steering... The warranty and maintenance on the BMW are superior. I love the soft touch doors and the automatic trunk. The standard radio in the BMW is better than the Audi's although both B&O options are pretty near the same to my ears, although the Audi's is about $2K more expensive. I like the massage features and ventilation that the BMW seats provide. The exhaust is a little throatier in the BMW although both pipe in the sound. Overall I think the Audi tries to mute the cars feelings, while the BMW enhances the cars feelings. I feel that you don't really get to see the full aspect of what BMW is enhancing until you get to the track, you just see glimpses and get small tastes on the road. Otherwise, you still get quite a bit out of the Audi on the street. While I would consider taking the BMW to the track, I wouldn't even attempt it with the Audi. In the end you have to step back and see what you are buying the car for. For many people, they like the exclusivity of the Audi, since we all see BMW's on every corner. I just don't think cross shopping them is 1) that far off, and 2) I think most people repeat what they read in car magazines (BTW I have tracked both cars - to some degree). After all this, I am still split between the cars, but must make a choice soon. |
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It sounds to me like you have made up your mind. Welcome aboard. You are going to love it.
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But I am very very tempted. There are some things I absolutely love about the M5 and somethings I absolutely love about the S6. I will make up my mind soon though! |
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Wow, that's one of the best and most honest reviews I've ever read.
Thanks for posting that. Oh also, AWD is overrated unless you live up in the Northern U.S.
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It has it's advantages and disadvantages. There is obviously a reason why many supercar manufacturers have this in their lineup. BMW has been resistant to include this in their top level cars. It changes the feel that is for sure. I live in Florida, so I don't have to worry about the snow, but you must experience launch control in an AWD vehicle at least once in your lifetime. It is a hoot. Also, it is pretty cool in the rain in these high performance vehicles.
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Coming from a high revving E60 M5, I kinda feel at home with the RS5. And seriously thinking of a mid sized coupe! The only other coupe I can think of is the M6, but that's a turbo! And it's $58k more expensive than the Audi...
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That's interesting. Confirms what I've always thought which is that the VW Group rigs its journalist cars.
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The S8 is very fast as well. But again this is where the difference is between Audi and BMW. The S8 handily beats the BMW to 60 and 1/4 mile, but forget about handling. I have driven the S8 quite a bit as well. It is so isolated and so smooth that the feeling of speed is very weird. You would expect a 3.4 second car (w/o DSG/DCT....) to feel crazy fast. What I can equate the feeling to is that the car feels like it is standing still and the earth and environment around you is moving very quickly toward you. |
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There is no real comparison between the S6 and the F10 M5. I just drove the following Audi S cars (TTS, S4, S5, S6, S7, S8) plus RS5 and new R8 during an Audi Performance Experience Day. I was invited by Audi and I thought it would be a nice idea to test and drive Audi cars. All can I say is that Audi only makes one true driver's car which is the R8. After the R8, I did like the RS5 because of its engine. All other cars were very nice but did not provide the driving experience and feedback than BMW M cars do. And personally I do not like Audi interiors and for sure do not like their shifters, they are way too big and do not inspire shifting to me. Also, it is a downside that they only provide one manual car which is the S4. Again it is a matter of preference...
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The R8 and RS5 are the only ones I would ever consider buying, well and maybe the upcoming RS7, but I'll need to drive it first to see how it is.
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