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      10-10-2021, 09:11 PM   #1
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Please leave the political statements out of this thread. This is simply question and answer.

I got the question "Kick 6, what is your opinion on the booster that is being discussed recently, specifically Pfizer."

The booster does a good job of increasing antibodies against SARS-Cov2. This will greatly help reduce hospitalizations and deaths. The million dollar question is how long will it be effective. IMO, the Pfizer shots should be given farther apart. There is some info out there showing a 3.5 times increase in antibody production when given further apart.

My personal preference would be to get the Pfizer shot. Moderna would be my second choice. I don't advocate getting J&J or AstraZeneca.
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I understand that an infected, non-vaccinated person will easily transmit COVID-19 as it replicates/sheds itself in the patient's respiratory system.
Does this "replication" of COVID in fully vaccinated people significantly reduce the ability to spread?
Are there any studies out there that compared the trasmittability between vaccinated and non-vaccinated people?
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I understand that an infected, non-vaccinated person will easily transmit COVID-19 as it replicates/sheds itself in the patient's respiratory system.
Does this "replication" of COVID in fully vaccinated people significantly reduce the ability to spread?
Are there any studies out there that compared the trasmittability between vaccinated and non-vaccinated people?
I wouldn't necessarily say that it will "easily" spread, but I understand your point. I have seen a study about vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people and their viral loads.

Vaccinated people and unvaccinated people have basically the same viral loads in their nasopharynx up until about day five or six. This means they can spread the virus equally during this time. In most cases, the viral loads aren't high enough to have sufficient viral shed until after day 3. This gives two or three days of equal viral spread between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. After day 5 or 6, the vaccinated person usually starts dropping viral load faster than an unvaccinated person. It's usually around day 7 to 10 before symptoms start. The vaccinated person does have a decreased chance of spreading during this time so I guess you could say vaccination slows the spreading by about 50%.
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Kick6, I work in the NICU and we have been seeing more cases of Mother's coming in with difficulty breathing. Lately, the moms that have been coming in due to complications with Covid have been getting younger. By younger I mean the baby's gestational age. The past few weeks we've been getting 25 week old moms in triage and we've had to do stat c-sections. The babies being 25 weeks old are obviously having issues with their lungs not fully developed and the moms have been so sick that they are getting placed on ECMO.

My question is: how has COVID affected the pregnant population in your area and is this yet another area we need to gather more information on and start to trend?
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Kick6, I work in the NICU and we have been seeing more cases of Mother's coming in with difficulty breathing. Lately, the moms that have been coming in due to complications with Covid have been getting younger. By younger I mean the baby's gestational age. The past few weeks we've been getting 25 week old moms in triage and we've had to do stat c-sections. The babies being 25 weeks old are obviously having issues with their lungs not fully developed and the moms have been so sick that they are getting placed on ECMO.

My question is: how has COVID affected the pregnant population in your area and is this yet another area we need to gather more information on and start to trend?
I'm not in position to answer that question with any validity from a science standpoint. There just isn't any literature on it. But I am good friends with an OB/GYN and he told me that he is seeing more issues with bleeding complications in women of childbearing age that received the vaccination. He told me he received a lot of pushback from the CDC when he tried to get information on it.

Interesting that you mentioned the lungs because my brother works as a contractor for a Federal agency and he was mandated to get the vaccine. Less than a week after getting his second Pfizer vaccine, he was hospitalized for congested heart failure symptoms and has never had an issue before. He is 54 years old. The fluid built up around his heart, lungs, and even caused swollen testicles. VAERS shows 40 reported cases of testicular swelling for the Pfizer vaccine and 65 recorded cases of congestive cardiomyopathy the last time I looked. His case will not be recorded with VAERS because the physicians do not associate the two and both of these conditions are greatly under reported to VAERS.

If you want to talk "hypotheticals," I can do that. Pregnant women require much higher calcium loads because the growing baby needs a lot of it. Because enough is not often acquired from the diet, the women start leaching calcium from their bones to increase the baby's calcium availability. The problem is when the calcium is leached, so is any other polyvalent cation stored in the bones. Lead is removed from our bloodstream and put as far from our organs as we can put it. It often ends up in the bones. When you start seeing preeclampsia from after week 20 to week 34 of gestation, that can often be attributed to elevated lead levels.

Lead in our bloodstream increases oxidative stress the same that SARS-Cov-2 does. It would increase COVID symptoms because reduction capacity could get overloaded quickly. I'd start looking there for answers.

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What are your thoughts on the vaccine and what effects it may have on autoimmune issues like psoriatic arthritis. I have read about people who are actively on immunosuppressant to actually get both doses and recommended to get boosters since the medication lowers their immune response. My question is what about those NOT on medication? Could the vaccine worsen the disease or symptoms given the already over active immune system?
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@Kick 6 What's your outlook on the when the "situation" ends?
I'm not sure it ever will "end." I don't see it as MERS or SARS1 that just died out. I can see either scenario where it either dies down and is more like influenza or I can see where it keeps mutating and keeps on going. The strong will survive and I can't tell you what strong means other than one with a good immune system that is not overburdened.
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What are your thoughts on the vaccine and what effects it may have on autoimmune issues like psoriatic arthritis. I have read about people who are actively on immunosuppressant to actually get both doses and recommended to get boosters since the medication lowers their immune response. My question is what about those NOT on medication? Could the vaccine worsen the disease or symptoms given the already over active immune system?
I'm not a fan of giving the vaccine to psoriatic arthritis patients but I can definitely see a need for it. IMO, those patients have chronic infections that can come from vector borne diseases or an increase permeability of their GI tract. The latter is more common IMO.

Having a chronic infection causes a decrease in available substrates for our biological processes. Basically, we lose minerals/elements. Things like magnesium, manganese, selenium, boron, etc. Most of the polyvalent cations are reduced. This causes a decrease in efficiency of our pathways which can lead to epigenetic shifts. This down regulates our immune system. It's a form adapting our body to our current situation. This is done to decrease oxidative stress.

A psoriatic arthritis patient would be a great candidate to do a food sensitivity test to see which items cause IgG reactions. Avoiding those foods would likely benefit the patient greatly. Determining the pathogenic insults for that patient could also be beneficial. That is much easier said than done.

Yes, the vaccine could worsen those patients' health. It could also keep them alive if they got COVID. It's not as cut and dry as they make it out to be.
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Please leave the political statements out of this thread. This is simply question and answer.

I got the question "Kick 6, what is your opinion on the booster that is being discussed recently, specifically Pfizer."
Thanks! Glad you saw that, and I appreciate the info.
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Do you have any opinion on possible implications since some Northern European countries have suspended Moderna use for young ppl? Is there a similar concern for Pfizer and other vaccines?
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Do you have any opinion on possible implications since some Northern European countries have suspended Moderna use for young ppl? Is there a similar concern for Pfizer and other vaccines?
There are certainly concerns. The vaccines all have their benefits and their detriments. The problem I have is that the detriments aren't being adequately examined no matter what the NIH is telling us. I stated in an earlier thread that I do not advocate getting the J&J or the AstraZenica vaccinations. They present more risk IMO and I recommend Pfizer even though my brother is still hospitalized after getting his second Pfizer vaccination.

I had three patients that were in decent health that died shortly after receiving the vaccine. I don't know which vaccine they received but none were listed on VAERS. Two died of stroke from blood clots with no previous clotting history. I had twice as many die from COVID that appeared to be in good health. 99.7% of the people survive COVID. I'd like to know the true number of people that have complications from the vaccines but we will never know the actual number. The last count I saw on VAERS COVID vaccine associated deaths was over 16,000. Some of those can't be attributed with the vaccines but many more that are unreported can be.

Pfizer is still my recommendation with Moderna second.
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With recent approval to "mix" boosters, does that make reasonable sense to consider? And especially mixing the mRNA with traditional?

I haven't looked yet, I'm not in a big push to boost, but at least with initial immunizations in Cali, I didn't have a choice on which product I received. I picked a day, and got what was there that day.
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With recent approval to "mix" boosters, does that make reasonable sense to consider? And especially mixing the mRNA with traditional?

I haven't looked yet, I'm not in a big push to boost, but at least with initial immunizations in Cali, I didn't have a choice on which product I received. I picked a day, and got what was there that day.
I am not a fan of mixing boosters, especially AstraZeneca and J&J with anything.
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I am not a fan of mixing boosters, especially AstraZeneca and J&J with anything.
AZ isn't even a choice here, I don't think. But I'm tempted by the variation in modality to get J&J, as I'm fully Pfizer. Not based on actual research or any empirical evidence, just that variability.

TEHCNICALLY, being 55 and T1D, I guess I fall into the risk group that should get boosted. I was fully vaccinated in April, so 6 months is up.

I would prefer if I could get screened to see just what level of protection I still have, before making that decision.
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There are certainly concerns. The vaccines all have their benefits and their detriments. The problem I have is that the detriments aren't being adequately examined no matter what the NIH is telling us. I stated in an earlier thread that I do not advocate getting the J&J or the AstraZenica vaccinations. They present more risk IMO and I recommend Pfizer even though my brother is still hospitalized after getting his second Pfizer vaccination.

I had three patients that were in decent health that died shortly after receiving the vaccine. I don't know which vaccine they received but none were listed on VAERS. Two died of stroke from blood clots with no previous clotting history. I had twice as many die from COVID that appeared to be in good health. 99.7% of the people survive COVID. I'd like to know the true number of people that have complications from the vaccines but we will never know the actual number. The last count I saw on VAERS COVID vaccine associated deaths was over 16,000. Some of those can't be attributed with the vaccines but many more that are unreported can be.

Pfizer is still my recommendation with Moderna second.
Sorry to hear about your brother, hope he will be ok. Would you be able to say more about his condition and if it has anything to do w Pfizer or something else?

Actually, what are the key differences between Pfizer and Moderna because they always seem to be marketed as a similar pair of vaccines? I'm curious why Moderna is showing more side effects vs Pfizer atm.

It's concerning that certain deaths aren't reported as linked with vaccines. There was a data about general deaths and supposedly they spiked up significantly after the vaccine implementation, so whether or not they some were attributed to VAERS, how can that gap be explained?
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I had the J&J in April and will be getting the Moderna booster tmrw

I spoke with my doctor 2 weeks ago and he recommended the Moderna over the Pfizer, given the choice (he had to get the Pfizer due to availability at the time)
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There are certainly concerns. The vaccines all have their benefits and their detriments. The problem I have is that the detriments aren't being adequately examined no matter what the NIH is telling us. I stated in an earlier thread that I do not advocate getting the J&J or the AstraZenica vaccinations. They present more risk IMO and I recommend Pfizer even though my brother is still hospitalized after getting his second Pfizer vaccination.

I had three patients that were in decent health that died shortly after receiving the vaccine. I don't know which vaccine they received but none were listed on VAERS. Two died of stroke from blood clots with no previous clotting history. I had twice as many die from COVID that appeared to be in good health. 99.7% of the people survive COVID. I'd like to know the true number of people that have complications from the vaccines but we will never know the actual number. The last count I saw on VAERS COVID vaccine associated deaths was over 16,000. Some of those can't be attributed with the vaccines but many more that are unreported can be.

Pfizer is still my recommendation with Moderna second.
Curious, is a person's own immune system a recommendation? If so, under what circumstances?
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Sorry to hear about your brother, hope he will be ok. Would you be able to say more about his condition and if it has anything to do w Pfizer or something else?

Actually, what are the key differences between Pfizer and Moderna because they always seem to be marketed as a similar pair of vaccines? I'm curious why Moderna is showing more side effects vs Pfizer atm.

It's concerning that certain deaths aren't reported as linked with vaccines. There was a data about general deaths and supposedly they spiked up significantly after the vaccine implementation, so whether or not they some were attributed to VAERS, how can that gap be explained?
He had two cardiologists talk to him yesterday and they verified that he had a form of viral cardiomyopathy. It causes congestive heart failure symptoms. They said at his age, they were certain it was caused by the Pfizer vaccine.

I'd have to go back and look at the exact differences between Pfizer and Moderna, I can't answer that with any degree of certainty.

The VAERS data is troubling to me. These vaccines have caused many more problems than our previous vaccines and as one research paper noted, only about 1 in 10 vaccine related issues is reported to VAERS.
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Curious, is a person's own immune system a recommendation? If so, under what circumstances?
Can you rephrase the question, I'm not sure I understand it?
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The VAERS data is troubling to me. These vaccines have caused many more problems than our previous vaccines and as one research paper noted, only about 1 in 10 vaccine related issues is reported to VAERS.
<Tongue firmly in cheek> Say it isn't so! </Tongue firmly in cheek>

These are the things that keep some people up at night, and make it so there is "concern" over the findings. I don't pretend to have your, or many others' medical knowledge. But I do have enough knowledge to worry about "statistics" and dependency on incomplete information. And since I grew up in a legal household, I know once you are discredited in a single area, your complete testimony becomes suspect.

Not YOUR testimony, but the generic your
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Every COVID vaccine is effective. You just need to get vaccinated ASAP
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