Vic55 and I drove the F80 M3. Pulls like a French Choo Choo Train.

pkimM3r · 06-26-2014, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbdurham17

So basically what I get from this is that if I decide to get an M3 LCI (CP?) when my lease is up in 2 1/2 years instead of the next gen M5 in order to wait for the next LCI M5 (instead of something other than M) I wouldn't be disappointed in the performance but probably would miss the luxury, however no one should go out and trade their M5 for and M3

but be prepared if you decide to play with one in your M5 the performance is very close and would probably come down to driver.

it 99% DRIVER. dont care if its an s2k vs m5.

Vic55 · 06-26-2014, 06:41 PM

I don't want to start another thread Dave so Ill just post my review here, very short- super short- cliff notes style LOL:

I test drove the new M3 today. I was able to enjoy it in dig to 60 runs and then some more aggressive freeway pulls. I did not get a chance to push it hard in super sharp lower speed corners but I did get to run over triple digits and into what I would say are higher speed "bends".

The interior to me is nothing outstanding- as expected for a 76k msrp car. I didn't get to play around with the Nav or electronics as I just went to sport plus for all options except the steering (I find sport plus creates too much understeer here) and I had drivelogic at the 3 bar max plus MDM mode. The leather was supple and the seats firm and supportive.

I liked the opening throttle response from a dig- very M like in nature with its touchy feel and quick engagement. From a 5 mph roll in the car is quick to 60 but its no M5 quick or M6 quick IMHO. You can feel the lack of tq compared to its bigger brother and where I really noticed it was on roller at 60 to about 118 mph. The car does take longer to get to that speed; but don't get me wrong, this is expected since the car has less hp. It felt stable though and as mentioned prior "nimble" too. The car was very ..... M3 like with an evolution in motor and suspension tweaks. The turbos had minimal to zero lag and the DCT shined as expected. When I was nearing 120mph and there was a decent bend on the expressway I could feel myself wanted the more stable F10 or F13 but the chassis was stable enough and I felt confident. Im sure that car is even better in the sharp and twisties as my tour was more of a GT cruiser type of test drive.

The exhaust was interesting. Cold startup was rather blah- not very aggressive but Im used to something different. As I pushed it up the rpm range it would definitely come alive and it was loud in the cabin for sure (no radio on) and I wonder if there is a sound symposium thru the speakers??? Maybe someone can answer this because it was loud- louder than the M5 or M6 stock for sure and even louder than my M6 with the Meisterschaft axle back. I liked the sound but only under load and there was no barks or burbles which I have become accustomed to with my 991C4S, C63BS, RS7, SL63...etc.

So was it fantastic?? Ehhh but I also didn't think the C4S was fantastic on first runs so Ill reserve my thoughts for another drive and one with the M4 too. I'd say based on what I read here that my thoughts echo most and I was hoping to say certain parts blew me away in the drive; but they didn't. I did see the car as I drove up as it was outside (then it was moved inside and then outside for my drive) and it caught my eye. Its a very good looking car and the stance is strong and aggressive for a 4 door compact car.

I owned an E46 and E92 M3 and this is better of course but I am not sure its better than what they were when they were released. Id argue based on what's out there currently that choices today as an alternative are excellent though.

I liked it but I didn't really love it and at 10k over msrp I definitely was just going to test drive it and not negotiate further. Oh I liked the F Type R coupe better too.

M6-Coupe · 06-26-2014, 08:07 PM

The more I read the reviews, the more I want to test drive it... shelly is too far

RPiM5 · 06-26-2014, 08:15 PM

Vic, excellent cliff notes buddy!

Yeah like I said in another post, the M4 is the car you'd LIKE to drive, but the Jag is the car that you'd LOVE to drive.

'Nough said.

Vic55 · 06-26-2014, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RPiM5

Vic, excellent cliff notes buddy!

Yeah like I said in another post, the M4 is the car you'd LIKE to drive, but the Jag is the car that you'd LOVE to drive.

'Nough said.

Thanks for the thread title change lol.

Vic55 · 06-27-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

The more I read the reviews, the more I want to test drive it... shelly is too far

Yeah its far but I was next door at the House of Imports checking out a SLS haaaaaa so I found myself at Shelley and I know a few managers there and they said "pop her cherry" so I did- blood everywhere.

RPiM5 · 06-27-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

Yeah its far but I was next door at the House of Imports checking out a SLS haaaaaa so I found myself at Shelley and I know a few managers there and they said "pop her cherry" so I did- blood everywhere.

For some reason Vic, this comes to mind.

Vic55 · 06-27-2014, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RPiM5

For some reason Vic, this comes to mind.

Oh but I was her first- especially to exceed 100mph. I believe the other miles were "tip in only".

RPiM5 · 06-27-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

Oh but I was her first- especially to exceed 100mph. I believe the other miles were "tip in only".

Let's play a little game, "Just the tip."

We really need more emoticons for innuendos on this forum.

M5Rlz · 06-27-2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

I liked it but I didn't really love it and at 10k over msrp I definitely was just going to test drive it and not negotiate further. Oh I liked the F Type R coupe better too.

I got mine 1k under MSPR and most people on m4post are doing even better. I think thats absurd price

I agree with everything you wrote though.

Vic55 · 06-27-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I got mine 1k under MSPR and most people on m4post are doing even better. I think thats absurd price

I agree with everything you wrote though.

I know its just an "asking" number but since they start high they wont finish low. I generally pay invoice or close to it or even back of cost depending on my contacts. Since this was their only one, I wouldn't dare waste my time asking for 1k or 2k off msrp because I did not feel the car was worth that.

M6-Coupe · 06-27-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

Yeah its far but I was next door at the House of Imports checking out a SLS haaaaaa so I found myself at Shelley and I know a few managers there and they said "pop her cherry" so I did- blood everywhere.

Vic, are you shopping around for SLS? I was in Fletcher Jones last week to see a friend of mine working there. I saw they had two 2012 SLS. one with 2k mile and another 16k mile and they were so gorgeous. They had priced the first one for 169 and the second one for 140. All of a sudden, something inside me asked me to give them a try to be "Stablemate" (haha I'm using your words) of M6.
I asked my friend but he said no! he said the new SLS is coming with new engine; with that said, if you are interested in SLS, I think you have to wait

Mbdurham17 · 06-27-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

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Originally Posted by Mbdurham17

So basically what I get from this is that if I decide to get an M3 LCI (CP?) when my lease is up in 2 1/2 years instead of the next gen M5 in order to wait for the next LCI M5 (instead of something other than M) I wouldn't be disappointed in the performance but probably would miss the luxury, however no one should go out and trade their M5 for and M3

but be prepared if you decide to play with one in your M5 the performance is very close and would probably come down to driver.

it 99% DRIVER. dont care if its an s2k vs m5.

Not always true put a 911ts or RS7 (they are pretty much mash and go) in the hands of a not so great driver vs a great driver in an M5

ufgtrs2007 · 06-27-2014, 04:04 PM

Great reviews, I saw a SSII M3 with full red leather. The full leather without a doubt enhances the interior feel of the M3. A must have for anyone thinking about buying. If not for the full leather, the interior is pedestrian at best.

M6-Coupe · 06-27-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbdurham17

Not always true put a 911ts or RS7 (they are pretty much mash and go) in the hands of a not so great driver vs a great driver in an M5

touch less

Vic55 · 06-27-2014, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Vic, are you shopping around for SLS? I was in Fletcher Jones last week to see a friend of mine working there. I saw they had two 2012 SLS. one with 2k mile and another 16k mile and they were so gorgeous. They had priced the first one for 169 and the second one for 140. Out of the sudden, something inside me asked me to give them a try to be "Stablemate" (haha I'm using your words) of M6.
I asked my friend but he said no! he said the new SLS is coming with new engine; with that said, if you are interested in SLS, I think you have to wait

Oh I was just perusing LOL--- The SLS is a very cool but depreciating bucket just like the MP4-12C.

Vic55 · 06-27-2014, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

touch less

God I love watching that over and over LOL--- there is still something to be said about actually pushing a 991 into the turns at higher speeds with its rear/mid engine dynamics.

Time · 06-27-2014, 10:57 PM

Dave, BMW of SS just got a M4, do you want to go compare it to their M3 for us? Its white on 18s. The side wall on the rear tires is huuuuuuge.

Vic55 · 06-28-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

TBH, I don't believe those numbers since numbers are related to drivers and conditions as well; however there is a huge difference between 7:39 (?)and 7:55 that cannot be related to drivers!
Just as comparison, the auto express reported 1:09:90 for M4 and 1.12.2 for Jag. the same driver, the same track, but yes of course different days that may affect the results

I was just watching an Auto Express review on the M4 vs the RS5 and noticed that the 1.12.2 for the Jag was the V6?? I couldn't fine an F type R Coupe number....

Jaguar F-Type V6 S Cabriolet 1.12.2 375bhp 1,597kg RWD

Auto Express Lap Times

M6-Coupe · 06-28-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

I was just watching an Auto Express review on the M4 vs the RS5 and noticed that the 1.12.2 for the Jag was the V6?? I couldn't fine an F type R Coupe number....

Jaguar F-Type V6 S Cabriolet 1.12.2 375bhp 1,597kg RWD

Auto Express Lap Times

lol... the video I posted is convertible V8 but the link you posted is V6!
on that video (post #145 of this thread) it's V8 495 HP (however for some reason I thought it's 550...my bad

), 1665kg... look at 3:38.
it's interesting and that's why I said I can't rely on numbers reported by journalists

Vic55 · 06-28-2014, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

lol... the video I posted is convertible V8 but the link you posted is V6!
on that video (post #145 of this thread) it's V8 495 HP (however for some reason I thought it's 550...my bad

), 1665kg... look at 3:38.
it's interesting and that's why I said I can't rely on numbers reported by journalists

no worries, first beer on me

I wonder what the coupe R will do with 550hp and a more rigid chassis?

M5Rlz · 06-28-2014, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

I know its just an "asking" number but since they start high they wont finish low. I generally pay invoice or close to it or even back of cost depending on my contacts. Since this was their only one, I wouldn't dare waste my time asking for 1k or 2k off msrp because I did not feel the car was worth that.

yeah... I'm about to cancel my m4. Try something else. PM if you got a deal on the rs7 I'm intrigued with that

06-26-2014, 06:41 PM	#156
Vic55 Lieutenant General 19567 Rep 10,192 Posts Drives: 2023 BMW M8 Competition Coupe Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: THE Orange County iTrader: (9)	I don't want to start another thread Dave so Ill just post my review here, very short- super short- cliff notes style LOL: I test drove the new M3 today. I was able to enjoy it in dig to 60 runs and then some more aggressive freeway pulls. I did not get a chance to push it hard in super sharp lower speed corners but I did get to run over triple digits and into what I would say are higher speed "bends". The interior to me is nothing outstanding- as expected for a 76k msrp car. I didn't get to play around with the Nav or electronics as I just went to sport plus for all options except the steering (I find sport plus creates too much understeer here) and I had drivelogic at the 3 bar max plus MDM mode. The leather was supple and the seats firm and supportive. I liked the opening throttle response from a dig- very M like in nature with its touchy feel and quick engagement. From a 5 mph roll in the car is quick to 60 but its no M5 quick or M6 quick IMHO. You can feel the lack of tq compared to its bigger brother and where I really noticed it was on roller at 60 to about 118 mph. The car does take longer to get to that speed; but don't get me wrong, this is expected since the car has less hp. It felt stable though and as mentioned prior "nimble" too. The car was very ..... M3 like with an evolution in motor and suspension tweaks. The turbos had minimal to zero lag and the DCT shined as expected. When I was nearing 120mph and there was a decent bend on the expressway I could feel myself wanted the more stable F10 or F13 but the chassis was stable enough and I felt confident. Im sure that car is even better in the sharp and twisties as my tour was more of a GT cruiser type of test drive. The exhaust was interesting. Cold startup was rather blah- not very aggressive but Im used to something different. As I pushed it up the rpm range it would definitely come alive and it was loud in the cabin for sure (no radio on) and I wonder if there is a sound symposium thru the speakers??? Maybe someone can answer this because it was loud- louder than the M5 or M6 stock for sure and even louder than my M6 with the Meisterschaft axle back. I liked the sound but only under load and there was no barks or burbles which I have become accustomed to with my 991C4S, C63BS, RS7, SL63...etc. So was it fantastic?? Ehhh but I also didn't think the C4S was fantastic on first runs so Ill reserve my thoughts for another drive and one with the M4 too. I'd say based on what I read here that my thoughts echo most and I was hoping to say certain parts blew me away in the drive; but they didn't. I did see the car as I drove up as it was outside (then it was moved inside and then outside for my drive) and it caught my eye. Its a very good looking car and the stance is strong and aggressive for a 4 door compact car. I owned an E46 and E92 M3 and this is better of course but I am not sure its better than what they were when they were released. Id argue based on what's out there currently that choices today as an alternative are excellent though. I liked it but I didn't really love it and at 10k over msrp I definitely was just going to test drive it and not negotiate further. Oh I liked the F Type R coupe better too. __________________ 2024 BMW M3 CS Frozen Solid White 2023 BMW M8 Coupe Competition Alpine White 2022 Porsche Carrera GTS Coupe Shark Blue 2020 Audi R8 V10 Performance Suzuka Gray 2012 Mercedes Benz C63 AMG Black Series Obsidian Black
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RPiM5 Major General 2876 Rep 7,885 Posts Drives: Black M5 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Earth 616 iTrader: (0)	Vic, excellent cliff notes buddy! Yeah like I said in another post, the M4 is the car you'd LIKE to drive, but the Jag is the car that you'd LOVE to drive. 'Nough said. __________________
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