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      02-05-2024, 07:35 PM   #1
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Horner in trouble at Red Bull

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What is “inappropriate controlling *behaviour?” Sorry, i am ootl.
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What is “inappropriate controlling *behaviour?” Sorry, i am ootl.
He said "a little higher, a little lower, oh ya right there, just like that". LOL
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What is “inappropriate controlling *behaviour?” Sorry, i am ootl.
Nobody knows, it's all speculation.

Could be sending inappropriate texts, could be bullying.

Could even be "he hurt my feelings"


All I know is, there's a power struggle between horner and marko, and this seems like a play to get rid of Horner. This will backfire as if Horner leaves, so does Newey (will probably go to Ferrari and have Lewis win his 8th), and then everyone at RBR loses.

Look at what happened when Ferrari forced Schumacher out.

Last time they won a WDC/WCC was 16-17 years ago.

Horner has managed two WDC drivers so far (Vettel, Max) so even if Max leaves, I'm sure some other talent will come by years from now. You get rid of someone who has managed the team from ground up (20 years) then you will never win anything again. The TP has to be able to pick his own successor.
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Nobody knows, it's all speculation. Could be sending inappropriate texts, could be bullying. Could even be "he hurt my feelings". All I know is, there's a power struggle between horner and marko, and this seems like a play to get rid of Horner. This will backfire as if Horner leaves, so does Newey (will probably go to Ferrari and have Lewis win his 8th), and then everyone at RBR loses. Look at what happened when Ferrari forced Schumacher out. Last time they won a WDC/WCC was 16-17 years ago. Horner has managed two WDC drivers so far (Vettel, Max) so even if Max leaves, I'm sure some other talent will come by years from now. You get rid of someone who has managed the team from ground up (20 years) then you will never win anything again. The TP has to be able to pick his own successor.
You're right. Exactly this ^^. Great point about Schumacher and Ferrari. All of the media reports I've been able to find state, "inappropriate controlling behavior". Which is intentionally vague. You can bet if there was any substance to the allegations - such as being seen on Epstein's island, p3do stuff etc. the media would've reported it. Assuming the media isn't corrupt - which they are. Anyway, innocent until proven guilty IMO. Red Bull's loss will be Ferrari's gain.
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it’s gonna be dick pics to a female employee, i already know

The Female employee:


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lens That was hilarious. LOL. Brightened up my morning.
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it’s gonna be dick pics to a female employee, i already know
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Nobody knows, it's all speculation.

Could be sending inappropriate texts, could be bullying.

Could even be "he hurt my feelings"


All I know is, there's a power struggle between horner and marko, and this seems like a play to get rid of Horner. This will backfire as if Horner leaves, so does Newey (will probably go to Ferrari and have Lewis win his 8th), and then everyone at RBR loses.

Look at what happened when Ferrari forced Schumacher out.

Last time they won a WDC/WCC was 16-17 years ago.

Horner has managed two WDC drivers so far (Vettel, Max) so even if Max leaves, I'm sure some other talent will come by years from now. You get rid of someone who has managed the team from ground up (20 years) then you will never win anything again. The TP has to be able to pick his own successor.
Weird. Doesn't Horner owe Marko for getting him into F1?
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Sounds like all BS to me
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if you're rich and famous, or just very successful, you're going to be hated or accused of something. now it seems it's Red Bull's turn. i've heard a lot of scandals described but this is a new one for me

"inappropriate controlling behaviour"

probably told someone they can't pee until the race is over?

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if you're rich and famous, or just very successful, you're going to be hated or accused of something. now it seems it's Red Bull's turn. i've heard a lot of scandals described but this is a new one for me

"inappropriate controlling behaviour"

probably told someone they can't pee until the race is over?
No doubt there will be a money grab at some point also
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Sounds like all BS to me
I'm pretty sure , Wolff's pillow talk was much worse .
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if you're rich and famous, or just very successful, you're going to be hated or accused of something.
Not really. There are loads of rich folk that never brought anything onto themselves. I don't remember people accusing Sir Frank Williams, Peter Sauber or Nick Lauda of misbehaving with female staff. They're loaded.

Neither here or there. If these accusations are frivolous or a money-grabber, then shame on the accuser. If it's real, shame on Horner. This is 2024, he's 50, he has a daughter and a step-daughter, and he's the head of an international outfit.

Now it's wait for the facts. And if we never learn the facts, translation, he did it and bought his way out of it. As often rich folk do.
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Not really. There are loads of rich folk that never brought anything onto themselves. I don't remember people accusing Sir Frank Williams, Peter Sauber or Nick Lauda of misbehaving with female staff. They're loaded.

Neither here or there. If these accusations are frivolous or a money-grabber, then shame on the accuser. If it's real, shame on Horner. This is 2024, he's 50, he has a daughter and a step-daughter, and he's the head of an international outfit.

Now it's wait for the facts. And if we never learn the facts, translation, he did it and bought his way out of it. As often rich folk do.
i'm not sure about that.

we all make mistakes, we all have moments of weakness.

anyone can be accused of many things in their moments of weakness.

i'm sure he did something, we all do things that do not please everyone, sometimes we piss off other people by accident or by intention.

i don't read about him accused of committing a crime, like assault or something. maybe I've misread, but i guess "inappropriate controlling behaviour" can be interpreted many ways!

but if he goes, he goes. if he stays he stays. the world keeps spinning and life goes on. nothing is permanent.
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This will never not make me laugh. They fight extremely hard for their teams but they also know it's just part of the game and can at least have some fun in between. Toto's smile at the end says it all

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All I know is, there's a power struggle between horner and marko, and this seems like a play to get rid of Horner. This will backfire as if Horner leaves, so does Newey (will probably go to Ferrari and have Lewis win his 8th), and then everyone at RBR loses.
Had no idea that Horner and Marko were at odds - I don't follow RB religiously, but always figured they were at least working to further their championship streak. Curious to see if the allegation gets squashed without further detail or if this continues to blow up.
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i'm not sure about that.

we all make mistakes, we all have moments of weakness.

anyone can be accused of many things in their moments of weakness.

i'm sure he did something, we all do things that do not please everyone, sometimes we piss off other people by accident or by intention.

i don't read about him accused of committing a crime, like assault or something. maybe I've misread, but i guess "inappropriate controlling behaviour" can be interpreted many ways!
Speak for yourself. I’ve stopped being inappropriate when I was a kid. I’ve known where the line is for decades. So should any Millennial and older.

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