2016 McLaren 570S: Supercar Speed with Sports Car Fun! - Ignition Ep. 145

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

. When say reliable where do you get your facts .......the ford GT last produced in 2005 no issues, and they are all collector cars now worth more than the ones you list above?

If I could get one I wouldn't sell ........very low production sold directly from ford. Flip market will easily turn 300k in a year, but again I will keep doubt I would pass the application process. �� My company does business with ford, and big company CEO's are having hell getting an allocation this is from our ford contact.

I got my fact from the history of Ford compare to the history of McLaren...
I don't think there is any reason we want to argue about the big F1 maker company compare to Ford. Furthermore, there are many reasons I can claim McLaren is more reliable than Ford from business stand point. McLaren is a company must compete with all high level European companies including Ferrari, Lamborghini, Audi, Mercedes, BMW,... while Ford is the only company in USA produce this type of car (you can read exotic or super car) and no matter what they produce, there are lovers who pay for this car. Exactly like Corvette or Viper. These cars have their own customers even if they have zero reliability... BUT again from investment stand point, you are right and it may be a good investment to get Ford GT and make big money after couple years... BTW forget about the resale price and the fact you referred to value after couple years, if you had option to chose 488 or 675LT or Ford GT and you knew all three would lose 50% of their price in 3 years, what would you take?

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

Honestly if you spread 30k cash over 36 months thats an extra 800 a month if you do nothing but let it sit in a checking account. If you even try to invest it at any decent rate of return lol. I'd take a 3300-3800 dollar payment assuming thats what it would be.

I never looked at leasing the 650s when I was shopping but is McLaren Similar to BMW that if you crash it you don't ever see that downpayment money again, which is why its usually better to do MSDs.

LOL... I believe people who pay this money for this car are not thinking about investment this way... The best way for investment is TOYOTA COROLLA because you save thousands of dollars per year ( means saving the budget)

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I got my fact from the history of Ford compare to the history of McLaren...
I don't think there is any reason we want to argue about the big F1 maker company compare to Ford. Furthermore, there are many reasons I can claim McLaren is more reliable than Ford from business stand point. McLaren is a company must compete with all high level European companies including Ferrari, Lamborghini, Audi, Mercedes, BMW,... while Ford is the only company in USA produce this type of car (you can read exotic or super car) and no matter what they produce, there are lovers who pay for this car. Exactly like Corvette or Viper. These cars have their own customers even if they have zero reliability... BUT again from investment stand point, you are right and it may be a good investment to get Ford GT and make big money after couple years... BTW forget about the resale price and the fact you referred to value after couple years, if you had option to chose 488 or 675LT or Ford GT and you knew all three would lose 50% of their price in 3 years, what would you take?

Relax bro not arguing. Price a 2005 GT and let me know what you find(:

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Relax bro not arguing. Price a 2005 GT and let me know what you find(:

Dude I trust you and have no argue on price or retail price or anything related to price and that's why I said forget about price. My point was something else

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by ColdList

Hmmmmm. That sucks. Still a good show though I bet! Heading to Nashville for the day. Let's connect next weekend if you are in town.

Deal in Savannah for some RR will be in ATL next week. Dude drive the crap out of your car how so 5k in a year wrapped in a bubble.

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Dude I trust you and have no argue on price or retail price or anything related to price and that's why I said forget about price. My point was something else

Got it enjoy the SoCal weather! I like the look of the car it's killer in person.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Looks like McLaren Newport Beach just got a new 570S. Looks sick in Black!

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Also anybody know yet how much to put down on the lease for the 570S to get that $2,200 a month figure they keep throwing around?

That car is priced at 200k. I just saw the car and asked CA for lease program and... here you go:
These numbers are not tax included so basically for a 200k car if you put 10% (20k) down + 10k tax (in advance) for total of 30k, your monthly payment is almost 2300 for 36 month... not bad

[gmfive]

Are you all seriously considering buying/leasing the 570S? I would love to see an honest review of the car instead of reviewers just gushing and reviews appearing rigged. Anyone compared it with the 991TTS?

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by gmfive

Are you all seriously considering buying/leasing the 570S? I would love to see an honest review of the car instead of reviewers just gushing and reviews appearing rigged. Anyone compared it with the 991TTS?

I don't know of anyone who actually has one ... yet. ColdList who owned a 12c, two 650s', and has a 675 LT right now- raved about it and how it drives. He drove it a few weekends ago in GA. I have tagged him for more input.

There are some fair reviews out there... Pobst was critical of it in certain track situations and I think Chris Harris (who I like the most) did a good review as well.

I'm not looking at it yet for other reasons. I want to make sure there are no quality control issues and would rather wait here. I have the Lambo and the GTS to satisfy my appetite for now. And with the normally aspirated R8 looming with arguably better sound plus a v10 NA beast; things are really great for entry level super car buyers.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by Vic55

on a 215k car with the high residual its circa 3200 with 8% sales tax and no net cap cost reduction --- agree its not good to invest money into a lease. I don't even believe in MSD's as the money factor adjustment is not enough to offset, as you said, investing the cash somewhere else. Although the market sucks my swollen left nut right now.

True I haven't even been checking it hahaha. I figure I'll get a call if its really bad I don't wanna see those losses lmao

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

LOL... I believe people who pay this money for this car are not thinking about investment this way... The best way for investment is TOYOTA COROLLA because you save thousands of dollars per year ( means saving the budget)

nobody should be shopping 200k+ if they care about their payment at all. Honestly.

If you even have to ask about a lease payment cars really not for you lol

[gmfive]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I don't know of anyone who actually has one ... yet. ColdList who owned a 12c, two 650s', and has a 675 LT right now- raved about it and how it drives. He drove it a few weekends ago in GA. I have tagged him for more input.

There are some fair reviews out there... Pobst was critical of it in certain track situations and I think Chris Harris (who I like the most) did a good review as well.

I'm not looking at it yet for other reasons. I want to make sure there are no quality control issues and would rather wait here. I have the Lambo and the GTS to satisfy my appetite for now. And with the normally aspirated R8 looming with arguably better sound plus a v10 NA beast; things are really great for entry level super car buyers.

Indeed, that R8 should be awesome!

Have been meaning to ask you - do you find the Huracan fairly manageable in somewhat regular use - easy to get in and out of and not too low?

[RPiM5]

This thread escalated quickly. Haha!

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

That car is priced at 200k. I just saw the car and asked CA for lease program and... here you go:
These numbers are not tax included so basically for a 200k car if you put 10% (20k) down + 10k tax (in advance) for total of 30k, your monthly payment is almost 2300 for 36 month... not bad

Good stuff man!

[sdshah]

Wait 24 months! Mclaren depreciation and this super can be yours for 50% of sell price! =}

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by sdshah

Wait 24 months! Mclaren depreciation and this super can be yours for 50% of sell price! =}

I think it would depend on what they do with future models, etc. it could hold ok but if they start making 450s, 320s lol this thing will be 89k in no time lol

[clar]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I think it would depend on what they do with future models, etc. it could hold ok but if they start making 450s, 320s lol this thing will be 89k in no time lol

I understand there is a 540C coming next.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by clar

I understand there is a 540C coming next.

Not in US... at least as is claimed...

[gmfive]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I think it would depend on what they do with future models, etc. it could hold ok but if they start making 450s, 320s lol this thing will be 89k in no time lol

The 450s is definitely possible if greed overtakes sensibility. I won't bet against the possibility. We already have the BMW 1 and 2 series and the Audi A1, A2. Jaguar is also building smaller cars. Manufacturers wants to be in all segments and smell $$

[sdshah]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I think it would depend on what they do with future models, etc. it could hold ok but if they start making 450s, 320s lol this thing will be 89k in no time lol

The 570 and 650 will depreciate quickly imo. The buyers aren't super loyal like a Ferrari per say so there will be a second hand market.

[Niko1414]

Originally Posted by sdshah

The 570 and 650 will depreciate quickly imo. The buyers aren't super loyal like a Ferrari per say so there will be a second hand market.

I wouldn't compare the 570s and 650s to the same depreciation curve as the 12c which was over built and lack of demand.

But we shall see. 650s is holding as used car market is moving on them.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by Niko1414

I wouldn't compare the 570s and 650s to the same depreciation curve as the 12c which was over built and lack of demand.

But we shall see. 650s is holding as used car market is moving on them.

They're holding a little better [650s] but not to the extent I'd want if I were a buyer. Maybe if I just indiscriminately leased I wouldn't pay much attention to it. As a buyer though seeing a 2015 with a 300k MSRP going for 219-225 is disconcerting, especially with more models looming.

Originally Posted by sdshah

The 570 and 650 will depreciate quickly imo. The buyers aren't super loyal like a Ferrari per say so there will be a second hand market.

They also don't have the lineage those brands have. I mean 430s are already starting to climb! 360s are on the rise...

Other than the SLR joint venture, F1, and P1 I'd simply say they're a niche market inside a niche market.