2017 Mercedes E63 AMG Spy shots

[RPiM5]

No doubt this next gen E63 will be impressive, but I have my doubts it will drop any significant weight. After all the new C63 AMG is a porky 3,900+ pounds.

http://gtspirit.com/2016/01/20/2018-...e63-spy-shots/

[SocalBM]

Is the S class the only car MB put any effort into designing, because they knew they would just photocopy and reduce the scale appropriately for the other models? I always liked the E-AMG cars because they looked muscular and mean. This, sort of doesn't. I wanted to like the new C-AMG, but it's just weak looking.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by SocalBM

Is the S class the only car MB put any effort into designing, because they knew they would just photocopy and reduce the scale appropriately for the other models? I always liked the E-AMG cars because they looked muscular and mean. This, sort of doesn't. I wanted to like the new C-AMG, but it's just weak looking.

Lol! I agree, but at least it's not a bad design.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by SocalBM

Is the S class the only car MB put any effort into designing, because they knew they would just photocopy and reduce the scale appropriately for the other models? I always liked the E-AMG cars because they looked muscular and mean. This, sort of doesn't. I wanted to like the new C-AMG, but it's just weak looking.

100% Agreed

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

No doubt this next gen E63 will be impressive, but I have my doubts it will drop any significant weight. After all the new C63 AMG is a porky 3,900+ pounds.

http://gtspirit.com/2016/01/20/2018-...e63-spy-shots/

I would like to know what the maximum power of this new 4 liter V8TT engine is

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I would like to know what the maximum power of this new 4 liter V8TT engine is

In the existing configuration, the highest so far is 510 horsepower and 700 Newton Meters of torque.

That said, I still think that MB can push this engine further.........and it needs to. The previous/current E63 AMG S model had 585 horsepower and 850 Newton Meters of Torque from a 5.5 liter V8 twin turbo.

To top that, the next E63 AMG should have more than 600 horsepower (in its highest variant).

Anyways, we'll see. This is definitely getting interesting

[IANNUZZI]

A loss of 1.5L of displacement is not going to be any better for performance and potential.....

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

In the existing configuration, the highest so far is 510 horsepower and 700 Newton Meters of torque.

That said, I still think that MB can push this engine further.........and it needs to. The previous/current E63 AMG S model had 585 horsepower and 850 Newton Meters of Torque from a 5.5 liter V8 twin turbo.

To top that, the next E63 AMG should have more than 600 horsepower (in its highest variant).

Anyways, we'll see. This is definitely getting interesting

Well that's what I really want to know if they can get 150+ HP per liter... not to say it's not possible since Mclaren is already getting 650HP from a 3.8 liter engine, but we all know those super cars are not meant to be driven 100+k miles in 4-5 years and are not cheap... let's see how technology and business deal with each other

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well that's what I really want to know if they can get 150+ HP per liter... not to say it's not possible since Mclaren is already getting 650HP from a 3.8 liter engine, but we all know those super cars are not meant to be driven 100+k miles in 4-5 years and are not cheap... let's see how technology and business deal with each other

Hmm.....I think it depends on how good MB engineers are.

For instance, Audi can squeeze as far as 605 HP out of their 4.0 liter TT V8 so I guess it's possible........I think.

[ChrisNich117]

Originally Posted by IANNUZZI

A loss of 1.5L of displacement is not going to be any better for performance and potential.....

If Mclaren can squeeze over 700hp from their 3.8l v8, what's to worry about when you've got Germans working on 4L with a budget that far exceeds theirs. Audi and Mercedes both copied the design of BMW's turbo placement and if BMW is keeping the same engine with more upgrades who cares since it will have a higher displacement than the others. Audi can already get 600hp out of the Bentley gt3 and the same upgrade is now in the RS7. They share the same engine. Mercedes will do the same with their higher tier vehicles and the hp war will continue until someone throws in an anti gravity propulsion system coupled with an inertia cancelling device my bet is on tesla

[ChrisNich117]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well that's what I really want to know if they can get 150+ HP per liter... not to say it's not possible since Mclaren is already getting 650HP from a 3.8 liter engine, but we all know those super cars are not meant to be driven 100+k miles in 4-5 years and are not cheap... let's see how technology and business deal with each other

Over 700 in the P1 lol. "Why do you need protection? Zee Germans?"

[clar]

Getting > 600 bhp from 4 litre would mean higher boost, which translates to more turbo lag

[bobblehead]

I am really interested in this W213 E63, esp. wagon so I went to speak to a MB SA this past weekend and to see if they know when this is available to order. According to their current model line up production of 2016, it is not even on the list. The best educated guess would be sometimes around March 2017 Start of Production as a MY2018.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ChrisNich117

Over 700 in the P1 lol. "Why do you need protection? Zee Germans?"

LOL.. I didn't say the technology is not there. My point is the technology is not cheap... P1 is over million dollar ... Also who wants to drive P1 100k miles?

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by clar

Getting > 600 bhp from 4 litre would mean higher boost, which translates to more turbo lag

+1
Higher boost and larger turbocharge

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by clar

Getting > 600 bhp from 4 litre would mean higher boost, which translates to more turbo lag

1) I've read reviews regarding the Audi S8 Plus and its 4.0 liter Twin Turbo V8 engine (with 605 HP) and there was no turbo lag to be found......and that car didn't use a DCT but rather a ZF 8 Speed Automatic. Also, Audi said that they improved the cylinder heads as well as strengthened the gaskets to keep up with the added power and torque.

2) You can ask Vic55 since he has cars with 4.0 Liter Twin Turbo engines (e.g. undersquare engine configuration).

[clar]

From what I've read, the high performance turbo charged engine (>600bhp) that has the least lag is the engine in the new 488 GTB. Will definitely be sampling it in a couple of months time when the test car receives homologation status. The real deal is when a 3rd electric turbo is introduced. A few manufacturers (incl Audi) already have one ready for production, so I'm really holding my breath to see who gets it out first!

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

1) I've read reviews regarding the Audi S8 Plus and its 4.0 liter Twin Turbo V8 engine (with 605 HP) and there was no turbo lag to be found......and that car didn't use a DCT but rather a ZF 8 Speed Automatic. Also, Audi said that they improved the cylinder heads as well as strengthened the gaskets to keep up with the added power and torque.

2) You can ask Vic55 since he has cars with 4.0 Liter Twin Turbo engines (e.g. undersquare engine configuration).

My RS7, Bentley, and AMG GTS all were 4.0 liter twins and the lag was just not there even after tunes on the RS7 and GTS (haven't tuned the Bent yet). The RS7 and the Bentley have the ZF8 and that transmission is wonderful. A lot has to do with the transmission control unit electronics though which can make shift delays "feel" like turbo lag.

[ChrisNich117]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

LOL.. I didn't say the technology is not there. My point is the technology is not cheap... P1 is over million dollar ... Also who wants to drive P1 100k miles?

It's all relevant to the cost of production. BMW can mass produce cfrp and obtain much better supply contracts for batteries and all other parts when compared to a company that is only building, what was it,400 p1's? The i8 and i3 had a development cost of over 1 billion lol. If BMW didn't have to worry about the cafe laws we would see an i8 with the s63tu for 250k that would feasibly be in the same performance category as the 918 spyder. But they needed to average out that fuel consumption for the entire range and we're left with a cool looking car with bicycle tires