Tesla - no thanks!

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

You litterally have no counterpoints to anyone here. LOL.

He’s structured his “arguments” such that he always wins. When will X happen? I don’t know, but it definitely will and everyone is WRONG. How many X will be made in Y years? Doesn’t matter, it will happen eventually.

You guys need to stop trying to reason with him. If the question is “could this happen eventually”, then the answer is always a resounding “possibly”. The sensible adults in the room have made convincing arguments and presented evidence - there’s literally nothing that can be said to convince him because by his logic, as long as there’s a .00001% chance of something happening, he wins.

[ASAP]

I look forward to the power and charging shit show that will happen when only 10% of the US vehicles are EV... lol

The infrastructure is years behind the actual vehicles. As always, like with 5G we are putting the cart ahead of the horse... if you love being a beta tester then this is right for you.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I just like playing, kinda like with a puppy; it reacts but really doesn't know why.

Golden retriever???
It doesn't know what's happening but just happy to be a part of it

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I look forward to the power and charging shit show that will happen when only 10% of the US vehicles are EV... lol

The infrastructure is years behind the actual vehicles. As always, like with 5G we are putting the cart ahead of the horse... if you love being a beta tester then this is right for you.

The average house uses 886 kWh per month. Souorce : https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.p...%20per%20month.

The Tesla Semi uses 1000 KWH per 30 minute charge. Source :
https://topelectricsuv.com/news/tesl...la_Megacharger

there are 720 hours in a month, so there are 1440 half hours in a month. A Tesla charger consumes more load in 30 minutes than a typical house does in a whole month. The difference ratio of 1.129 : 1.0 more.

The semi mega charger is charging a Teslsa SEMI at an instantaneous total load 1625 houses whenever it plugs in. For each and every semi...

How many of these are we going to plug in, where will they plug in, and when (time of day)?

THere are ~2 million trucks on the road. If we converted them all and charged them all fully, it's load equivalent of 3.25 billion houses.

It sounds alarmist, but think about it, a house has a whole month to consume it's energy, the semi consumes more than a whole house in just 30 minutes, and if it's being driven, it needs to do this daily. If a semi is used regularly and has to charge 20 times in a month, that's 1625 houses of load x 2 million trucks x 20 charges = 65 billion houses of load applied to the grid every month.

There are ~150 million houses in the US.

Yah, we are fucked...

[G80indy]

No blasphemy, please
You are highly disrespectful, BGM-M3COMP, talking about “Sunday”

[Tejas1836]

Let's see. Every household buys 2 hamsters, hamster wheels. Throw in some copper wire and magnets...

[TXSTYLE]

https://markets.businessinsider.com/laid-off-janitors-musk-twitter-told-robots-would-replace-them-2022-12

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Let's see. Every household buys 2 hamsters, hamster wheels. Throw in some copper wire and magnets...

Better solution
Give the rats in all major cities a job to do, give them free food and they just have to run a wheel for a few hours

Energy crisis solved.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

The average house uses 886 kWh per month. Souorce : https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.p...%20per%20month.

The Tesla Semi uses 1000 KWH per 30 minute charge. Source :
https://topelectricsuv.com/news/tesl...la_Megacharger

there are 720 hours in a month, so there are 1440 half hours in a month. A Tesla charger consumes more load in 30 minutes than a typical house does in a whole month. The difference ratio of 1.129 : 1.0 more.

The semi mega charger is charging a Teslsa SEMI at an instantaneous total load 1625 houses whenever it plugs in. For each and every semi...

How many of these are we going to plug in, where will they plug in, and when (time of day)?

THere are ~2 million trucks on the road. If we converted them all and charged them all fully, it's load equivalent of 3.25 billion houses.

It sounds alarmist, but think about it, a house has a whole month to consume it's energy, the semi consumes more than a whole house in just 30 minutes, and if it's being driven, it needs to do this daily. If a semi is used regularly and has to charge 20 times in a month, that's 1625 houses of load x 2 million trucks x 20 charges = 65 billion houses of load applied to the grid every month.

There are ~150 million houses in the US.

Yah, we are fucked...

I never gave much though to the trucks, as I've just focused on the cars and the desire to get home heating off of fossil fuel and to electricity. As I have said on the other EV thread, the infrastructure isn't in place from either the production of electricity and it's delivery. This will require governments to approve nuclear plants and then get them built, plus increase the grid to manage all of the demand. It aint happening in the next 10 years.

[Cos270]

Soon™

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ms-2022-09-14/

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Cos270

Soon™

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ms-2022-09-14/

I'm surprised more haven't sued over the listed/advertised 200 MPH top speed, which 1-1/2 years later still can't be done.

From the Tesla.com model S page:
"*200 mph when equipped with paid hardware upgrades"

Only you can't buy a paid hardware upgrade, because it still doesn't exist.

That would be like BMW advertising the new I7 has being capable of orbiting the moon : "when equipped with moon-orbit hardware upgrades", then never selling such hardware. Would BMW get away with that bullshit?

Tesla is on a whole 'nother level for sure.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Like I said in the other EV thread, Elon has lost his Golden Child status after buying Twitter.

FSD is now a $15K option. $15K for something that will never come to fruition. Lol.

Vaporware?

I have to wonder if that $15K price was to scare people off from buying it. Fewer buyers = less litigants when they get sued for non-delivery.

FSD Take-rate percentage in the US is headed to single digits prior to this price hike, and his been in the single digits in China for quite a while now.

Price it out of reach but still advertise it as a monumental achievement (that is almost there) so you can claim that best-in-industry-technology glory ...

Quite the marketing strategy. Not unlike a pyramid scheme, only it doesn't reward anyone in the middle tiers.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The Tesla Cybertruck is available*.

*"when equipped with the Cybertruck hardware".

True, the plaid+ was *available, till it wasn't.

bait-and-switch is illegal in most instances.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Does the "fetch me" mode even work yet? When it was demonstrated to me, it failed miserably. The owner had to hit the abort button on his phone or it would have hit a parked car. Lol.

So it does have a "fetch me mode", you can't say it doesn't. Never mind how well it works, it has it... They have an update that will fix that *some day

[zx10guy]

I don't know if this has been posted. Ran across this on Youtube today and found it interesting. Apparently, many GM dealers are servicing Tesla's. The video clip I saw said so far 11,000 Tesla's have been serviced by GM dealers. If this grows, I can see this being a major shake up with how the EV market is going to progress. Although, the press I've seen has been light on details as to the nature of repairs being done at the GM dealerships. But I'm just some Internet jockey.

https://news.yahoo.com/gm-dealership...gZS1bAs_tElew1

[ASAP]

the one time i tried autopilot on a Miami highway (granted about 4 years ago), i was scared shitless... it somehow had trouble keeping in its lane and always veered to the right on a perfectly straight road... then another car was merging in from the right and it absolutely did not see it... this is a beta product at best and you are risking your safety with it

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by ASAP

the one time i tried autopilot on a Miami highway (granted about 4 years ago), i was scared shitless... it somehow had trouble keeping in its lane and always veered to the right on a perfectly straight road... then another car was merging in from the right and it absolutely did not see it... this is a beta product at best and you are risking your safety with it

Autopilot is IMO the least impressive Tesla feature. It's basically adaptive cruise and lane centering and even at that it's not that good. I did try the FSD subscription one month for a long road trip... not any better. I don't have FSD or the fancy beta thing so I can't comment on that.

However IMO the comma.ai device I had on the corolla I use to own worked waaaay better than Teslas standard AP and that shit is basically a hacked smartphone.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by ASAP

the one time i tried autopilot on a Miami highway (granted about 4 years ago), i was scared shitless... it somehow had trouble keeping in its lane and always veered to the right on a perfectly straight road... then another car was merging in from the right and it absolutely did not see it... this is a beta product at best and you are risking your safety with it

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Autopilot is IMO the least impressive Tesla feature. It's basically adaptive cruise and lane centering and even at that it's not that good. I did try the FSD subscription one month for a long road trip... not any better. I don't have FSD or the fancy beta thing so I can't comment on that.

However IMO the comma.ai device I had on the corolla I use to own worked waaaay better than Teslas standard AP and that shit is basically a hacked smartphone.

It's even worse if you're a motorcycle rider....

https://www.revzilla.com/common-trea...hIgzkFavwHYnr4

[Murf the Surf]

If I recall about 4 years ago on this forum there was/were threads that had a lot of focus on self driving cars, and there were folks on here that swore up and down that in less than 5 years they would be dominating the market. I posted several times pointing out that there were logistical and common sense reasons that the tech was decades away from being realized and I got flamed. And yet here we are and I don't see us much closer. I get tech is evolving quickly but its one thing for your laptop of cel phone to move forward in leaps and bounds with AI or what ever other tech you care to imagine, but when you are talking about moving the entire transpiration network to EV or self driving there are harsh realities that aren't just restricted by the tech but also infrastructure, government regulations to name just two.

[Soul_Glo]

The range loss data is interesting:

https://insideevs.com/news/626577/wi...ge-loss-study/

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

If I recall about 4 years ago on this forum there was/were threads that had a lot of focus on self driving cars, and there were folks on here that swore up and down that in less than 5 years they would be dominating the market. I posted several times pointing out that there were logistical and common sense reasons that the tech was decades away from being realized and I got flamed. And yet here we are and I don't see us much closer. I get tech is evolving quickly but its one thing for your laptop of cel phone to move forward in leaps and bounds with AI or what ever other tech you care to imagine, but when you are talking about moving the entire transpiration network to EV or self driving there are harsh realities that aren't just restricted by the tech but also infrastructure, government regulations to name just two.

I am on another forum and as much as 7 to 8 years ago I was in literal wars with people who were adamant self driving cars would be everywhere by 2020. I made serious bets we would be right where we are right now and collected handsomly, it was NEVER gonna happen in our life time.

We are nowhere near as smart as people think we are and also most people fail to think through the challenges.

With EV's, I definitely see a rapidly approaching upswing in market share but I absolutely GUARANTEE every jurisdiction will buckle and will allow plug in hybrids with a small ICE under the legislation, the idea we can ban the sale of the ICE by 2035 is completely and utterly insane.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Soul_Glo

The range loss data is interesting:

https://insideevs.com/news/626577/wi...ge-loss-study/

This is REALLY coming to the forefront as more EV's hit the market, the range drop for some of them in cold weather is totally unacceptable as a mode of reliable transport.