Hairloss...any solutions?

[thebmw]

OP I was asking advice on how to have more hair. And you guys are telling him to shave it all off. That's like someone saying how can I have more sex and you're telling him to chop off his peepee :LOL.

But seriously, the worst advice is going to Turkey. I have personally heard horror stories including hygiene, poor results, infections, and some people have actually died. The fact that people cheapen out on their health but spend ridiculous amounts of money on stupid dinners and alcohol is mind-boggling to me.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by thebmw

OP I was asking advice on how to have more hair. And you guys are telling him to shave it all off. That's like someone saying how can I have more sex and you're telling him to chop off his peepee :LOL.

But seriously, the worst advice is going to Turkey. I have personally heard horror stories including hygiene, poor results, infections, and some people have actually died. The fact that people cheapen out on their health but spend ridiculous amounts of money on stupid dinners and alcohol is mind-boggling to me.

If they really cared that much about their health they would just let it fall out. None of the methods for trying to keep your hair are healthy. Not to mention, unlike sex in your analogy, hair offers no benefit other than vanity.

[chinniciF32]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

I bounce between 1.8 and 2.0 on the clipper guard depending on how bald I want to be. Embrace!

Originally Posted by jmg

Shaved my head during pandemic and saved hundreds on hair products and worrying about my thinning hair. Best decision ever! Just buy some nice hats and wear sunscreen to protect your dome.

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

I second the above!

Just bought the Remington Balder Pro shaver a month ago maybe as I decided to lose the Friar Tuck hairstyle and embrace my baldness. Looks a lot better!

I kept his belly though. Can't seem to part with it.

Originally Posted by jmg

chinniciF32, don't be like me and waste a bunch of time and effort with a beard shaver. You need something that curves for you head and has a large surface area. Beard and straight foils caused my head to look like a lawn, with rows of long hairs that the shaver missed. I used to shave once a week because it took so long, almost 15 minutes. This will solve your thinning hair issue in 1-2 minutes:

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

The more hair you lose, the more head you get.

Just embrace it.

Originally Posted by Buug959

FTFY

So it appears you guys haven't tried any supplements, or sought any other remedy besides shaving your head which works to I guess, my bestfriend has been telling me to do the same and just shave it off. But yea I cant go that route.....at least not yet. I have always had thick hair and took pride in it and then as soon as 33 hit I started to notice the thinning.

I guess ill give the Nutrafol a try and then hair plugs it is. I remember my 85 year old grandfather got the procedure done and his hair looked great afterwards.

[chinniciF32]

Originally Posted by Steveski

I take 1mg of Finasteride daily. Never had any side effects. As well as 3000 grafts. Is it perfect? No. But it’s good enough. As my surgeon said its all about realistic expectations.

Minoxidil did nothing for me except make my hair oily.

I have considered going either the Finasteride or Minoxidil route but i'm just worried about the side effects I know they say it wont happen to everyone but my girlfriend would def rather me have thinning hair versus thicker hair but pushing rope in the bedroom.
On a side note it is nice that my GF owns a beauty salon and she gives me free designer hair thickening shampoo and conditioner, serums, hair cuts and hair fiber, but the best part is I dont ever have to pay for her nails, hair, lashes, etc. etc. I digress lol I told myself I was going to do the plugs either way on my 38th bday cause if it gets worse which it most def will then I will need it....tbh if my hair just stayed like this and didn't thin out in any more areas I could live with it.

[E36 wire harness]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I used minoxidil once many years ago. No idea if it works because after putting that shit on my head for a couple of days I said fuck that! I hated having my head all greasy with that stuff. Plus you basically have to do it forever just to maintain what you have.

This was my experience exactly haha. If anything actually worked more people would do it.

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by thebmw

OP I was asking advice on how to have more hair. And you guys are telling him to shave it all off. That's like someone saying how can I have more sex and you're telling him to chop off his peepee :LOL.

Surely you're not surprised with us? This is almost EXACTLY what one should expect from the OT community.

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

If they really cared that much about their health they would just let it fall out. None of the methods for trying to keep your hair are healthy. Not to mention, unlike sex in your analogy, hair offers no benefit other than vanity.

In regards to health, I was referring to the fact that people spend more time researching what Lululemon crap they are going to buy instead of researching their physician and who they are going to entrust their life. It's bad enough that Americans don't research their own physicians in America. Now they are going to a random person in a random facility that 100% does not abide by best practices and US standards. Many of the "physicians" in Turkey that do travel medicine are not even qualified, but their is no way to vet and validate. Good luck holding them accountable when things don't go right, which is very often, you just don't hear about it because there is no way to report it.

In regards to vanity, it is not a secret that better looking people get promoted. If you look like an old, dilapidated, half bald person (especially in sales), you will are going to lose out to a younger, more attractive person. That affects your salary, health insurance, and thus, health. So unfortunately, how you look is important if you are still working...unless you look like the Rock, then yes, shave it off.

[chinniciF32]

yea I am not surprised i figured some would either tell me to wear a hat 24/7 or shave it off and then there would be some who would actually be vain about their hair like me

[thebmw]

I don't think this is a vanity issue. Do people walk around with boogers hanging out of their nose? Do people groom their facial hair? Why do people, who have hair, get haircuts? Why do people dye their hair?

It is about presentation, looking good for yourself, and unfortunately, looking good for others so that they are accepted or taken more seriously socially and professionally. Again, all things being equal, the person that looks better will get the job/sale 100% of the time. That's not what I wish, it's just reality.

[Steveski]

Originally Posted by chinniciF32

I have considered going either the Finasteride or Minoxidil route but i'm just worried about the side effects I know they say it wont happen to everyone but my girlfriend would def rather me have thinning hair versus thicker hair but pushing rope in the bedroom.
On a side note it is nice that my GF owns a beauty salon and she gives me free designer hair thickening shampoo and conditioner, serums, hair cuts and hair fiber, but the best part is I dont ever have to pay for her nails, hair, lashes, etc. etc. I digress lol I told myself I was going to do the plugs either way on my 38th bday cause if it gets worse which it most def will then I will need it....tbh if my hair just stayed like this and didn't thin out in any more areas I could live with it.

The thing my surgeon said about Finasteride is that it works by helping your existing hair not fall out. The transplant hair is pretty permanent but the existing hair in that area will continue to thin and fall out. So this keeps that pricy transplant looking good. He feels if you want plugs take the drugs. He and his son are both taking Fin.

Talk to your own doctor to come up with your own conclusions and not listen to this random internet guy, but for me taking Fin is worth it.

[Esteban]

^^ Yep, like I said earlier, been taking finasteride for more than 20 years, no negatives. Works for my prostate and as a side-benefit it works for my hair. Win-win.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by thebmw

I don't think this is a vanity issue. Do people walk around with boogers hanging out of their nose? Do people groom their facial hair? Why do people, who have hair, get haircuts? Why do people dye their hair?

It is about presentation, looking good for yourself, and unfortunately, looking good for others so that they are accepted or taken more seriously socially and professionally. Again, all things being equal, the person that looks better will get the job/sale 100% of the time. That's not what I wish, it's just reality.

Of course it’s vanity (as is dying your hair). Trying to remedy a balding head is much more like injecting Botox into your face or getting plastic surgery than walking around with boogers hanging out of your nose or not grooming. The latter just makes you a disgusting slob.

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Of course it’s vanity (as is dying your hair). Trying to remedy a balding head is much more like injecting Botox into your face or getting plastic surgery than walking around with boogers hanging out of your nose or not grooming. The latter just makes you a disgusting slob.

Vanity, by definition, is excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements. Wanting to have hair or wanting it to retain a naturally looking color is hardly excessive pride or excessive admiration of one's self. It is simply trying to preserve one's appearance to continue looking presentable. Balding and graying unfortunately looks aged. Car example: waxing your car and using touch up paint to maintain a newer car look.

Botox and plastic surgery on the other hand may qualify, depending on the situation (medical necessity vs narcissistic personality disorder). Car example: fake vents, ugly body kits, etc.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by thebmw

Vanity, by definition, is excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements. Wanting to have hair or wanting it to retain a naturally looking color is hardly excessive pride or excessive admiration of one's self. It is simply trying to preserve one's appearance to continue looking presentable. Balding and graying unfortunately looks aged. Car example: waxing your car and using touch up paint to maintain a newer car look.

Botox and plastic surgery on the other hand may qualify, depending on the situation (medical necessity vs narcissistic personality disorder). Car example: fake vents, ugly body kits, etc.

Wrinkles look aged too. But using botox to remove wrinkles for personal preference (i.e., not medically necessary) is different to you than using drugs, supplements or procedures to preserve hair (also not medically necessary)? Sure ok.

[maticCRO]

Originally Posted by UPSROD

If anything worked all of the actors and country singers wouldn't be wearing baseball and cowboy hats!

Wow what a great argument
FYI, David Beckham was one of the first celebrities who had hair transplant, more than 10 y ago...just google pics of his hair now and say again that the procedure doesnt work...

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Wrinkles look aged too. But using botox to remove wrinkles for personal preference (i.e., not medically necessary) is different to you than using drugs, supplements or procedures to preserve hair (also not medically necessary)? Sure ok.

You are confusing and conflating 2 separate discussions.

1. The post referred to the definition of vanity.
2. Preservation has nothing to do with medical necessity as we were discussing the definition of vanity. Preservation of an elastic face with no wrinkles is not the same as aggressive botox and plastic surgery.
3. Medical necessity was relating to life altering procedures (aggressive botox and plastic surgery).

Did you not read the very simple analogies I put there to help with the understanding of those definitions?

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by thebmw

Vanity, by definition, is excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements. Wanting to have hair or wanting it to retain a naturally looking color is hardly excessive pride or excessive admiration of one's self. It is simply trying to preserve one's appearance to continue looking presentable. Balding and graying unfortunately looks aged. Car example: waxing your car and using touch up paint to maintain a newer car look.

Botox and plastic surgery on the other hand may qualify, depending on the situation (medical necessity vs narcissistic personality disorder). Car example: fake vents, ugly body kits, etc.

Honestly... you suck at analogies. First shaving your head was like chopping off your peepee then being bald was the equivalent of being a boogery slob. I get it, you love your hair, take the pills, use the chemicals, get the surgery, plenty of people do. No need to try to "justify" it or whatever you are trying to do with these ridiculous analogies.

The hair transplants at least look better than the fake tatas and obese lips.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by thebmw

You are confusing and conflating 2 separate discussions.

1. The post referred to the definition of vanity.
2. Preservation has nothing to do with medical necessity as we were discussing the definition of vanity. Preservation of an elastic face with no wrinkles is not the same as aggressive botox and plastic surgery.
3. Medical necessity was relating to life altering procedures (aggressive botox and plastic surgery).

Did you not read the very simple analogies I put there to help with the understanding of those definitions?

As I already told you, your analogies do not make sense. Have a good evening.

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by maticCRO

Wow what a great argument
FYI, David Beckham was one of the first celebrities who had hair transplant, more than 10 y ago...just google pics of his hair now and say again that the procedure doesnt work...

Correct, or Elon and so many people who have nice hair in their 50's and beyond are on meds or have had plugs, PRP, stem cells, light therapy, etc. Because it is done correctly and tastefully, many people don't know this and think that receding hair lines and going bald is just bad luck.

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

As I already told you, your analogies do not make sense. Have a good evening.

I make analogies because you don't understand the accepted definition.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by thebmw

I make analogies because you don't understand the accepted definition.

I understood it perfectly when I responded to your first post and that response stands. I don’t really care if you want to preserve or replace your hair. But thinking that doing so is not because of vanity is idiotic just like your analogies.

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Honestly... you suck at analogies. First shaving your head was like chopping off your peepee then being bald was the equivalent of being a boogery slob. I get it, you love your hair, take the pills, use the chemicals, get the surgery, plenty of people do. No need to try to "justify" it or whatever you are trying to do with these ridiculous analogies.

The hair transplants at least look better than the fake tatas and obese lips.

That was a joke. That is what "LOL" means. You guys are super triggered today about hair! Are you all bald or something? BTW, I'm not on anything for my hair, just trying to help you all understand basic English definitions and prevent you from doing stupid sh*t like going to Turkey.