BMW is quoting M4 at 3.9 (vs 4.2 for M5), is there a chance it's faster?

[wrsbmw]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

That's true. Porsche is a poor man's exotic car. I completely agree with that statement.

A poor man's exotic? LOLOLOLOL!

A poor man can't buy a 911 much less a boxster.

[bm323]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Did you see my post above, where I quoted the official 0-1000m (or standing kilometer as it's also called) times?

The M5 and M3/4 DCT has exactly the same 0-1000m time at 21,9s. The F10 M5 does around 150MPH at the 1000m mark, so it seems there won't be that much between them, even from 80MPH up...

At 0-100 (MPH?) the M3/4 DCT will definitely be close, since they actually are crossing the 1000m (1km) mark at around 150MPH at exactly the same time

You probably have not checked out sport auto tests, (and if I'm correct as I don't understand German,) the following links show that the F80 is as quick as the F10 M5 up to 100kmph, but will then lose out after that do check out the links

http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichste...95.html?show=3

http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichste...86.html?show=3

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=4

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=2

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=997051

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by bm323

You probably have not checked out sport auto tests, (and if I'm correct as I don't understand German,) the following links show that the F80 is as quick as the F10 M5 up to 100kmph, but will then lose out after that do check out the links

http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichste...95.html?show=3" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.sportauto...tml?show=3</a>

http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichste...86.html?show=3" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.sportauto...tml?show=3</a>

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=4" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.sportauto...tml?show=4</a>

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=2" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.sportauto...tml?show=2</a>

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=997051" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://f80.bimmerpos...p?t=997051</a>

My post was from way before we had test data for the F8x.

The only comparable stats was manufacturer data for both cars.

BTW, I have referred to all of those Sport Auto tests several times and have written several posts in the F8x thread you linked to.

[Careful Driver]

So the F10 M5 CP will lap hockenheim same as a F80 M3 (1:12,8)? That's just ridiculously good for the M5.

I'm pretty sure the nurburgring time for the M5 is at least 5 seconds better with the CP car as well. I'm surprised sport auto didn't do that test yet.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I didn't it started raining lol I sat inside the house and played ps4.

Yeah it was raining a lot last night.

[bm323]

If the sportauto results in the following link are as tested and I'm guessing (German) correctly, the M5 comp is also more elastic 80 to 100 and 80 to 120

http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichste...86.html?show=4

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=998419

Does anyone have the same sportauto tests for the M5 non comp?

[Nkbm82]

I'm betting the M3/M4 are faster.

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2014/6/1...eview-7720803/

[JOHNBMWM5]

I am test driving the new M3 on Sunday, so all will be revealed then.
Not expecting too much from it.

[Maddict3]

Originally Posted by clar

Calling something a "poor man's xxx" is nothing but bigotry, typically uttered by ego maniacs.

agreed

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by bm323

You probably have not checked out sport auto tests, (and if I'm correct as I don't understand German,) the following links show that the F80 is as quick as the F10 M5 up to 100kmph, but will then lose out after that do check out the links

http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichste...95.html?show=3

http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichste...86.html?show=3

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=4

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=2

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=997051

Originally Posted by bm323

If the sportauto results in the following link are as tested and I'm guessing (German) correctly, the M5 comp is also more elastic 80 to 100 and 80 to 120

http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichste...86.html?show=4

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=998419

Does anyone have the same sportauto tests for the M5 non comp?

Here is the non CP M5 supertest:

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=4

As you can see, the M4 and M5 are VERY close to 100MPH (not 100km/h):

M4: 0-160km/h (or 100MPH) - 8,8s
M5: 0-160km/h (or 100MPH) - 8,7s

So only 1/10th of a second difference from 0-100MPH

As has been said by others here, at high speeds the M5 starts to pull an advantage:

M4: 0-200km/h (or 125MPH) - 13,7s
M5: 0-200km/h (or 125MPH) - 13,0s

So from 160-200km/h (100MPH-125MPH) the M5 pulls 0,6s on the M4. Expect that gap to increase after that as well.

BTW, the M4 was only 1/10th of a second quicker to 100km/h (62MPH) than the M5 (4,2 vs 4,3), meaning that no great advantage for the M4 off the line. Impressive that the M4 is as good as similar to 100MPH and only looses 0,6s from 100MPH to 125MPH...

[Careful Driver]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Here is the non CP M5 supertest:

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=4

As you can see, the M4 and M5 are VERY close to 100MPH (not 100km/h):

M4: 0-160km/h (or 100MPH) - 8,8s
M5: 0-160km/h (or 100MPH) - 8,7s

So only 1/10th of a second difference from 0-100MPH

As has been said by others here, at high speeds the M5 starts to pull an advantage:

M4: 0-200km/h (or 125MPH) - 13,7s
M5: 0-200km/h (or 125MPH) - 13,0s

So from 160-200km/h (100MPH-125MPH) the M5 pulls 0,6s on the M4. Expect that gap to increase after that as well.

BTW, the M4 was only 1/10th of a second quicker to 100km/h (62MPH) than the M5 (4,2 vs 4,3), meaning that no great advantage for the M4 off the line. Impressive that the M4 is as good as similar to 100MPH and only looses 0,6s from 100MPH to 125MPH...

On the same note, disappointing that M4 is not so much faster off the line than the M5 and very interesting to see a 4300 lbs car be just as quick to 100 kmh.

If you did a 60-130 pull, which is to me the most important DD car measure, M5 would probably put 2-3 car lengths on the M4.

[SocalBM]

Don't suppose you guys have seen this yet?

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=998857

In a nut-shell: 420rwhp stock, up to 480rwhp on a 2 day, hack-job tune, nothing optimized.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by SocalBM

Don't suppose you guys have seen this yet?

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=998857

In a nut-shell: 420rwhp stock, up to 480rwhp on a 2 day, hack-job tune, nothing optimized.

and his dyno result shows 566 whp for stock M5
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=998959

[SocalBM]

Yeah, I was actually quite disappointed to hear those were the numbers for the M3. I doesn't need to be that powerful to be fun (and fun is what it's all about) yet everyone on the M3 board wants nothing short of 500whp...

[bm323]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Here is the non CP M5 supertest:

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=4

As you can see, the M4 and M5 are VERY close to 100MPH (not 100km/h):

M4: 0-160km/h (or 100MPH) - 8,8s
M5: 0-160km/h (or 100MPH) - 8,7s

So only 1/10th of a second difference from 0-100MPH

As has been said by others here, at high speeds the M5 starts to pull an advantage:

M4: 0-200km/h (or 125MPH) - 13,7s
M5: 0-200km/h (or 125MPH) - 13,0s

So from 160-200km/h (100MPH-125MPH) the M5 pulls 0,6s on the M4. Expect that gap to increase after that as well.

BTW, the M4 was only 1/10th of a second quicker to 100km/h (62MPH) than the M5 (4,2 vs 4,3), meaning that no great advantage for the M4 off the line. Impressive that the M4 is as good as similar to 100MPH and only looses 0,6s from 100MPH to 125MPH...

Yes, thanks for the info. The M3 M4 are solidly good sport sedans, and I didn't initially expect them to match the F10 M5 in a straight line. What I don't understand however is that the M5 Sportauto lap time (one of them) is similar to the M3/4 on the Hockenheim, but substantially slower on the Nurburgring. Any reason for this (other than my view that Sportauto one lap time isn't fully reliable )?

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by bm323

Yes, thanks for the info. The M3 M4 are solidly good sport sedans, and I didn't initially expect them to match the F10 M5 in a straight line. What I don't understand however is that the M5 Sportauto lap time (one of them) is similar to the M3/4 on the Hockenheim, but substantially slower on the Nurburgring. Any reason for this (other than my view that Sportauto one lap time isn't fully reliable )?

Good question.

Horst von Saurma said that the Nurburgring lap was only driven at approximately 80% of the capabilities of the car (to avoid accidents and due to little time in the car etc). But that in that last 20% was perhaps 80% of the cars capabilities in some cases.

[bm323]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Good question.

Horst von Saurma said that the Nurburgring lap was only driven at approximately 80% of the capabilities of the car (to avoid accidents and due to little time in the car etc). But that in that last 20% was perhaps 80% of the cars capabilities in some cases.

Sorry, do you mean that Sportauto reported that the 8:05 timing was at 80% of the M5's capability?

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by bm323

Sorry, do you mean that Sportauto reported that the 8:05 timing was at 80% of the M5's capability?

No, he said that any Supertest lap was driven at around 80% of what the car could do.

I posted this interview with HvS over on the M4 boards (in the M4 Supertest thread):

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=30067

[RPiM5]

Boss I drove the F80 M3 yesterday. It pulls damn hard in the straightline but honestly there's no way it's faster than even a non-Comp Pack F10 M5 both from 0-60 and from 60-130. On the track, it'll whoop the M5 for sure though.

When do you get here anyways?! Looking forward to your visit.

[TC M3]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

and a porsche is a poor mans exotic I don't know anyone who would compare the new m3/m4 to the top tier 911s.

LOLOL

[Careful Driver]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Boss I drove the F80 M3 yesterday. It pulls damn hard in the straightline but honestly there's no way it's faster than even a non-Comp Pack F10 M5 both from 0-60 and from 60-130. On the track, it'll whoop the M5 for sure though.

When do you get here anyways?! Looking forward to your visit.

I am getting really confused about how fast this car is. I see all these people saying its damn fast and pulls so much "like the m5", but then they say M5 is faster. M5 isnt really THAT fast to begin with, in other words it doesnt do 0-60 in 3.2s. If its not as fast as the M5, then its not really fast in my book.

Is it because people are being nice about the new m3 and dont want to put it down or is it because they cant accept it being faster than the 40k more expensive car

And how the 6 cylinder sounds better inside the cabin then the CP V8 in M5 is beyond me. Windows down, m5 should destroy the tin can, if it doesnt, then the active sound in m3 is a lot more than 2-3%

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by Careful Driver

I am getting really confused about how fast this car is. I see all these people saying its damn fast and pulls so much "like the m5", but then they say M5 is faster. M5 isnt really THAT fast to begin with, in other words it doesnt do 0-60 in 3.2s. If its not as fast as the M5, then its not really fast in my book.

Is it because people are being nice about the new m3 and dont want to put it down or is it because they cant accept it being faster than the 40k more expensive car

And how the 6 cylinder sounds better inside the cabin then the CP V8 in M5 is beyond me. Windows down, m5 should destroy the tin can, if it doesnt, then the active sound in m3 is a lot more than 2-3%

I am test driving the M3 Sunday
Will be getting out of the M5 straight into it so will give my take on it then.