Test drove the Jag F Type R Coupe- Pics

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by soooma

But definitely a nice competitor to M5 that stole some BMW purists' hearts!! AWD is key

The people who went to RS7 are certainly not BMW purists.

BMW Purists like RWD with manual 6 speed. They would choke at the thought of a AWD M Car with a torque convertor automatic.

[Mbdurham17]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

The people who went to RS7 are certainly not BMW purists.

BMW Purists like RWD with manual 6 speed. They would choke at the thought of a AWD M Car with a torque convertor automatic.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Vic you kinda triggered me to test drive the car lol
So I went to the dealer you addressed in Newport. First impression was the moment I started the car... loud exhaust sound however I didn't like the tone since I love AMG sound (and this is just preference). Cabin is small but interior is gorgeous and has nice leather. I liked it's sporty style.I put the car in dynamic as the sportiest mode. I didn't have chance to push it too hard to hit 134 (you know that area specially on Sundays), but I could slide the car and it was fantastic. It was interesting for me how fast I got used to it (maybe because it's small car) to push it and still feel confident as the first time test drive. Car is well powerful and has great differential. I launched the car several times from standstill. It's pretty stable car and does not have that MUCH traction issue (Soooma always talk about it ) however I felt DSC was constantly working and now I understand why that guy in review said 500 calculations per second. Obviously ECU was constantly aiding but very fast. It's engaging the DSC and immediately disengaging and again and again. Let's say something like MDM with fast response time. Steering was good and heavy enough to feel the feedback. Suspension was stiff (and I liked it) and I felt like car was so lighter than 3950 lb!!! So everything was good except the tranny!! Man it's not fast enough. I mean it's a fast automatic transmission but much slower than DCT. If I want to compare it, I would say something slightly slower than ZF8 and if they claim 0-60 in 3.6 second, for sure it could be 3.4 if the tranny was DCT. Overall it's a great car for that price point but not my taste After leaving the dealership and getting back in M6, I had a good feeling to drive my toy in sequential sport+ mode

Well said sir. Im glad you went and drove it. If I consider the jag I'm going to retest drive it and push it further as stated. And you and I both touched on the driveability of the coupe and how its rather easy to launch and drive. C and D got 3.5 seconds in the 0-60 romp and I can see that being duplicated rather easily. It is unfortunate about the tranny but I am going to see if the owner of the tuning company compensates for that with his software. I think the tranny is similar to the MCT in benzes performance wise.

Let's meet up soon!

[RPiM5]

This is a great thread. Thanks for your input guys!

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Well said sir. Im glad you went and drove it. If I consider the jag I'm going to retest drive it and push it further as stated. And you and I both touched on the driveability of the coupe and how its rather easy to launch and drive. C and D got 3.5 seconds in the 0-60 romp and I can see that being duplicated rather easily. It is unfortunate about the tranny but I am going to see if the owner of the tuning company compensates for that with his software. I think the tranny is similar to the MCT in benzes performance wise.

Let's meet up soon!

It's interesting that both of you mention not being 100% happy with the transmission when every review I've read states that it is a fantastic auto that makes many reviewers not miss a DCT type transmission. It is of course a version of the ZF 8 Speed SuperFast transmission, that is most probably the best TQ tranny existing currently.

Do you think it's because you've been driving the PDK which is of course the best DCT out there?

Bish

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by thebishman

It's interesting that both of you mention not being 100% happy with the transmission when every review I've read states that it is a fantastic auto that makes many reviewers not miss a DCT type transmission. It is of course a version of the ZF 8 Speed SuperFast transmission, that is most probably the best TQ tranny existing currently.

Do you think it's because you've been driving the PDK which is of course the best DCT out there?

Bish

You have a good point. First of all I don't think PDK is the best DCT out there!!! or at least is not the fastest DCT. Yesterday after test driving the Jag I visited the Porsche dealer in Newport and test drove a 2011 911 TTS just to compare Jag to 911. The PDK was not as fast as DCT and also had creep even in sequential mode! I'm not sure the current version of PDK is the same, but at least the one on 2011 model was not as fast as BMW DCT.
Second, I didn't say jag's tranny was not fast... it's fast as a TQ tranny but not as fast as DCT.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

You have a good point. First of all I don't think PDK is the best DCT out there!!! or at least is not the fastest DCT. Yesterday after test driving the Jag I visited the Porsche dealer in Newport and test drove a 2011 911 TTS just to compare Jag to 911. The PDK was not as fast as DCT and also had creep even in sequential mode! I'm not sure the current version of PDK is the same, but at least the one on 2011 model was not as fast as BMW DCT.
Second, I didn't say jag's tranny was not fast... it's fast as a TQ tranny but not as fast as DCT.

DCT PDK DSG etc all have similar components just different manufacturers and the software plays a large role. The TCU controls the shift points and the reaction from paddle to gear change. My 997.2 TT 2011 had a PDK but what was the problem was the turbo lag and the TCU IMHO. Porsche has done an amazing job updating their PDK software no only in their NA cars in the 991 chassis but also with the the 991 TT and TT-S. I have had three DCT cars and three PDK cars and the PDK cars in the 991's are excellent. The DCT cars are also excellent so its hard to pick which one was better as the NA cars "feel" faster in shifting in both paddle and drive modes. My 991 C4S was more violent than any of the DCT's I owned in regards to shifting so I made the car feel rougher yet it shifted very very fast. The aggressiveness of this TCU literally allowed me to pull 2nd gear chirps in an AWD 400 hp car.

@thebishman Sorry Bish as I didnt articulate further; I wasnt that dissappointed in the tranny for the Jag but I do wish it had a dual clutch system. But with that being said that would not be a deal breaker for me as I have and had other cars recently without the magical DCT including the C63 Black, R8 V10, RS7 and SL63. So yes Ill drive the Jag again and Ill probably get it too

[ONEOF40 FS M3]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

The people who went to RS7 are certainly not BMW purists.

BMW Purists like RWD with manual 6 speed. They would choke at the thought of a AWD M Car with a torque convertor automatic.

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

DCT PDK DSG etc all have similar components just different manufacturers and the software plays a large role. The TCU controls the shift points and the reaction from paddle to gear change. My 997.2 TT 2011 had a PDK but what was the problem was the turbo lag and the TCU IMHO. Porsche has done an amazing job updating their PDK software no only in their NA cars in the 991 chassis but also with the the 991 TT and TT-S. I have had three DCT cars and three PDK cars and the PDK cars in the 991's are excellent. The DCT cars are also excellent so its hard to pick which one was better as the NA cars "feel" faster in shifting in both paddle and drive modes. My 991 C4S was more violent than any of the DCT's I owned in regards to shifting so I made the car feel rougher yet it shifted very very fast. The aggressiveness of this TCU literally allowed me to pull 2nd gear chirps in an AWD 400 hp car.

@thebishman Sorry Bish as I didnt articulate further; I wasnt that dissappointed in the tranny for the Jag but I do wish it had a dual clutch system. But with that being said that would not be a deal breaker for me as I have and had other cars recently without the magical DCT including the C63 Black, R8 V10, RS7 and SL63. So yes Ill drive the Jag again and Ill probably get it too

Thanks for the clarification Vic. I'm excited to hear your further thoughts on the car.

Bish

[johntomferg]

So buy both... :-)

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=973729


I'm interested in a link to the place or information on the upgrades you mentioned. Remember, the convertible is down on power with a "measly" 495 HP advertised.

[Dionysus]

Saw an F-type in black on the road today (from the back) - didn't realise they were that wide. It looked stunning.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

Saw an F-type in black on the road today (from the back) - didn't realise they were that wide. It looked stunning.

Yes the rear is very wide--- I think MotorTrend said its over 2 inches wider than the 991 C2S 50th anniversary edition which is just as wide as a C4S.

[Timberwolf]

Great, and thorough writeup. I felt like I was there!

This car is definitely on my radar when the M5 goes. I'm impressed with the Nurburgring lap times! 7:39 That's base C6 Z06 times.

Like you said with a pulley, intake and tune, it should be quite the sexy contender. And sound is critical and this car wins in that territory.

[Timberwolf]

I'd hold out for this minus the wing
http://http://www.hkcarworld.com/news/jaguar-rumored-plan-over-700bhp-f-type-r-s-coupe

[johntomferg]

Originally Posted by Timberwolf

I'd hold out for this minus the wing
http://http://www.hkcarworld.com/news/jaguar-rumored-plan-over-700bhp-f-type-r-s-coupe

And then if you wait another 6 months, there will be an F-Type RS GT that will make 800hp and have a 150 lb weight reduction... just get there already Jag!!!!

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Timberwolf

I'd hold out for this minus the wing
http://http://www.hkcarworld.com/news/jaguar-rumored-plan-over-700bhp-f-type-r-s-coupe

I dont want to wait that long since Im not usually a "waiter" for the model upgrade. I think most of us figured BMW would do a CP model at minimum but I just got my F10 in 2012 and the M6 in Jan of 2013 with no hesitation. But damn the RS will be amazing.

So I have to figure out if this car will be enough to last maybe a year? I think with the pulley and tune it will for sure as Ill be pushing another 90 whp ontop of the 550 crank.

IDK as I really enjoy the cars I have right now more than any other group Ive owned at the same time.

[Vic55]

Dealer called me today so I went to down to see this one.... not bad in black:

[cjackson1906]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Dealer called me today so I went to down to see this one.... not bad in black:

Me gusta! Not bad at all in black is exactly right. What did they say in their commercial, "It's good to be bad."

BTW, I test drove a RS7 here in the DC area yesterday and I kind of liked it. More body roll than I would like in a $120k car and the tech (or the look of it) seemed dated to me, but I can see why you purchased it.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by cjackson1906

Me gusta! Not bad at all in black is exactly right. What did they say in their commercial, "It's good to be bad."

BTW, I test drove a RS7 here in the DC area yesterday and I kind of liked it. More body roll than I would like in a $120k car and the tech (or the look of it) seemed dated to me, but I can see why you purchased it.

Did you drive one with the dynamic suspension? Those are special spring only cars with less roll....I got one with the springs.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Dealer called me today so I went to down to see this one.... not bad in black

Agreed; and the pictures don't do it justice!

[cjackson1906]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Did you drive one with the dynamic suspension? Those are special spring only cars with less roll....I got one with the springs.

Nope, it didn't have the springs you mentioned. The CA told me that someone ordered this one and couldn't keep up with the payments and ended traded it back in for an RS5. It also didn't have HUD...I've gotten spoiled by BMW. Based on the test drive and your recommendation of the springs, the RS7 will probably be on my short list of next cars to get along with that new S63 AMG Coupe.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by cjackson1906

Nope, it didn't have the springs you mentioned. The CA told me that someone ordered this one and couldn't keep up with the payments and ended traded it back in for an RS5. It also didn't have HUD...I've gotten spoiled by BMW. Based on the test drive and your recommendation of the springs, the RS7 will probably be on my short list of next cars to get along with that new S63 AMG Coupe.

Ill post a thread soon about my thoughts--- the spring car is definitely better than the air car handling wise. The S63 coupe is beautiful.