For who interested engine building (AVOID BPC)

wheelpro · 02-06-2019, 04:21 PM

Lets talk about more specs for
Engine parts
Clearance
Oil viscosity
Different between stock , upgraded parts
A lot of brands
Who success and who failed and why
Really i am the only man i the world remove and installed that engine to check all parts and condition
Lets discuss about that f.... engine
I am ready who is ready ?

wheelpro · 02-10-2019, 07:24 PM

Ok
I will start

Darton sleeves really good company
I checked. Many times and removed Engine 3 times .good to know that and for who interested too
They know specs and martial well
Bpc.co
They dont know what they fid for specs
When I bought parts( sleeves, pistons , rods , rings)
I found rods not compatible for my engine
For s63 Engine we have till 2011 and from
2012-2016
What is the different?
Tang for cap bearing and rods too
Different styles
I asked bpc
They replied me
We have no idea
. Its not our issue. !!!!!
and we will refund you 350$

Funny company from 10500 $ they want to refund 350$

:
and till now no reply no refund no fear

I will try to return parts and try to take my money , but i think they will refused , and they will blame me , and cp carrillo as they said , thats my right

Ok I contact cp carrillo they said we didn't made rods after 2011
What ever please send us rods and we can fix it
I sent finally received rods
With same issue
They open notch from one side not both
I told them why one side only
They said sorry
You have 3 options
1- buy rod bearing before 2011
2- send us rods again
3- remove notch from bearing
I said how come
1- My bearing new
2- Rods to send and received take looooooong time
3- if i removed notch from bearing thats safe ?
They said yes we made a lot with no issues
My fault I removed notch as they said
What ever
Happened what happened

Total seal rings
Good company
Professional
But do you know why Engine after rebuild with a lot of issues and all disappear ????
Because they are victims
After market companies
Want to sell , no care about that engine as well
Do you know why Engine eat oil like black m5 from bpc and they said we want to inspect bla bla bla ?????
Cause they made pistons specs with no idea how to make
Diamond pistons good company
But if someone want to make order they said please send us specs
Bpc sent wrong specs
I bought 2 times rings from total seal

My engine eat 1 liter for first 1000 km
And mow every 500 km 1 liter
Finally 300 km 1 liter
Issue from pistons
I am sure they now going to rebuild there engine again after 30000 km want to inspect

They try to rebuild again in secret
I will tell You updates soon

Mr. M6 · 02-11-2019, 02:17 AM

sorry to hear all that.. hope you will get refund from them...

M5Rick · 02-13-2019, 06:15 AM

Been reading your rebuild history with the ups and downs and hope you get your recompense.

wheelpro · 02-13-2019, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Been reading your rebuild history with the ups and downs and hope you get your recompense.

They dont care

black-n54 · 02-15-2019, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

They dont care

sorry for bad experiences brother!

a while ago, this "tuner" writes a lot and also answer on other threads and now? if somebody writes the truth, nobody cares and nobody writes!!

wheelpro · 02-15-2019, 06:22 PM

What about clearance for rod bearing and main bearing ?
What about oil viscosity?
Why they said use only 10w60 ?
why they use same clearance for crankshaft and rod bearing size ?
Did they asked them self ?
Bla bla bla with no good answer ?
Stock engine clearance .025 mm -.038 as max
Too tight
I inspected all parts after removing engine and checked everything more and more
How come i use 10w60 without modified
clearance first ???
Use 10w60 for forget pistons and sleeves right ,?
Without modification?
Bad result

tonydat1 · 03-08-2019, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

Ok
I will start

Darton sleeves really good company
I checked. Many times and removed Engine 3 times .good to know that and for who interested too
They know specs and martial well
Bpc.co
They dont know what they fid for specs
When I bought parts( sleeves, pistons , rods , rings)
I found rods not compatible for my engine
For s63 Engine we have till 2011 and from
2012-2016
What is the different?
Tang for cap bearing and rods too
Different styles
I asked bpc
They replied me
We have no idea
. Its not our issue. !!!!!
and we will refund you 350$

Funny company from 10500 $ they want to refund 350$

:
and till now no reply no refund no fear

I will try to return parts and try to take my money , but i think they will refused , and they will blame me , and cp carrillo as they said , thats my right

Ok I contact cp carrillo they said we didn't made rods after 2011
What ever please send us rods and we can fix it
I sent finally received rods
With same issue
They open notch from one side not both
I told them why one side only
They said sorry
You have 3 options
1- buy rod bearing before 2011
2- send us rods again
3- remove notch from bearing
I said how come
1- My bearing new
2- Rods to send and received take looooooong time
3- if i removed notch from bearing thats safe ?
They said yes we made a lot with no issues
My fault I removed notch as they said
What ever
Happened what happened

Total seal rings
Good company
Professional
But do you know why Engine after rebuild with a lot of issues and all disappear ????
Because they are victims
After market companies
Want to sell , no care about that engine as well
Do you know why Engine eat oil like black m5 from bpc and they said we want to inspect bla bla bla ?????
Cause they made pistons specs with no idea how to make
Diamond pistons good company
But if someone want to make order they said please send us specs
Bpc sent wrong specs
I bought 2 times rings from total seal

My engine eat 1 liter for first 1000 km
And mow every 500 km 1 liter
Finally 300 km 1 liter
Issue from pistons
I am sure they now going to rebuild there engine again after 30000 km want to inspect

They try to rebuild again in secret
I will tell You updates soon

So what did you end up doing with the rods and pistons? Did you send get custom specs or did you still use the BPC specs?

wheelpro · 03-08-2019, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonydat1

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

Ok
I will start

Darton sleeves really good company
I checked. Many times and removed Engine 3 times .good to know that and for who interested too
They know specs and martial well
Bpc.co
They dont know what they fid for specs
When I bought parts( sleeves, pistons , rods , rings)
I found rods not compatible for my engine
For s63 Engine we have till 2011 and from
2012-2016
What is the different?
Tang for cap bearing and rods too
Different styles
I asked bpc
They replied me
We have no idea
. Its not our issue. !!!!!
and we will refund you 350$

Funny company from 10500 $ they want to refund 350$

:
and till now no reply no refund no fear

I will try to return parts and try to take my money , but i think they will refused , and they will blame me , and cp carrillo as they said , thats my right

Ok I contact cp carrillo they said we didn't made rods after 2011
What ever please send us rods and we can fix it
I sent finally received rods
With same issue
They open notch from one side not both
I told them why one side only
They said sorry
You have 3 options
1- buy rod bearing before 2011
2- send us rods again
3- remove notch from bearing
I said how come
1- My bearing new
2- Rods to send and received take looooooong time
3- if i removed notch from bearing thats safe ?
They said yes we made a lot with no issues
My fault I removed notch as they said
What ever
Happened what happened

Total seal rings
Good company
Professional
But do you know why Engine after rebuild with a lot of issues and all disappear ????
Because they are victims
After market companies
Want to sell , no care about that engine as well
Do you know why Engine eat oil like black m5 from bpc and they said we want to inspect bla bla bla ?????
Cause they made pistons specs with no idea how to make
Diamond pistons good company
But if someone want to make order they said please send us specs
Bpc sent wrong specs
I bought 2 times rings from total seal

My engine eat 1 liter for first 1000 km
And mow every 500 km 1 liter
Finally 300 km 1 liter
Issue from pistons
I am sure they now going to rebuild there engine again after 30000 km want to inspect

They try to rebuild again in secret
I will tell You updates soon

So what did you end up doing with the rods and pistons? Did you send get custom specs or did you still use the BPC specs?

Cp carrillo rods
Pistons diamond
Darton sleeves
Changed rings
Changed clearance for rod bearing
Bpc dont know what they do
Sorry to say that
But thats true

tonydat1 · 03-09-2019, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

Cp carrillo rods
Pistons diamond
Darton sleeves
Changed rings
Changed clearance for rod bearing
Bpc dont know what they do
Sorry to say that
But thats true

What are the measurements for the clearance.

wheelpro · 03-09-2019, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonydat1

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

Cp carrillo rods
Pistons diamond
Darton sleeves
Changed rings
Changed clearance for rod bearing
Bpc dont know what they do
Sorry to say that
But thats true

What are the measurements for the clearance.

Clearance for what ?
Pistons
Wall
Main Bearing
Rod bearing
!

tonydat1 · 03-09-2019, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelpro

Clearance for what ?
Pistons
Wall
Main Bearing
Rod bearing
!

Rod bearing.

RG604 · 03-10-2019, 01:12 AM

My motor build from BPC (# 3 or 4 )was an epic fail .
I had my motor sent to them got it back and had our local bmw dealer do the install since they are quick and we have a good relationship with them.They got everything in , m5 wouldn't start and they found that the intake cam on bank one and the exhaust cam on the 2nd were 180 degrees out. Installed backwards but with the tool bmw provides it can be just human error .. Thankfully having seen that before in house they sorted it quickly not wasting much time chasing diagnostics .
So everything gets put back together and the tech calls me right away saying once the car gets warmer the exhaust is smoking really bad . Check everything from turbos and scope the valves to find one not closing properly..
Prior ,I let BPC know about the cam issue and they said they will "make it right". I then let them know there is material in the heads and that one valve is open (brass from the custom valve guides was the material). They asked me to send back the motor or even with the car and for all of this they would "tune" the car for me.. Sending it from vancouver canada wasn't happening especially with the car due to logistics of the border etc plus i was pissed. Considering the cost of this motor build I would expect a perfect motor.. I have all the emails back n forth with the owner of BPC during all of these issues. I have other builds and work/life that i couldn't just focus on this and the dealer was looking at this like "WTF" cause they knew how much i had spent.My current situation is that ill be running the bpc bottom end but have done my own spec of heads. The valve guides issue was cause the fitment of BPC's setup It was complete shit if it had ran good right way it wouldn't of ran for very long due to finding that later when having it apart some were very easy to take out. They have literally killed my passion to build this car i just want it running and that's it . I won't be installing the weistec 3582R kit anymore so if anyone is looking for a brand new kit not used or mounted .Im willing to let it go at a good price. I really like to stay out of this drama but its better that people know before falling into the guinea pig phase .
I haven't heard from BPC nor have i contacted them since the end of 2018 just due to frustration and them knowing where I stand. Never seen anything to make it right or cover any expenses I've had to deal with so far.
I will have the car back together in the next few weeks .

sqeezed · 03-10-2019, 01:59 AM

Wow good to know this is really crazy stuff.

induc916 · 03-10-2019, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RG604

My motor build from BPC (# 3 or 4 )was an epic fail .
I had my motor sent to them got it back and had our local bmw dealer do the install since they are quick and we have a good relationship with them.They got everything in , m5 wouldn't start and they found that the intake cam on bank one and the exhaust cam on the 2nd were 180 degrees out. Installed backwards but with the tool bmw provides it can be just human error .. Thankfully having seen that before in house they sorted it quickly not wasting much time chasing diagnostics .
So everything gets put back together and the tech calls me right away saying once the car gets warmer the exhaust is smoking really bad . Check everything from turbos and scope the valves to find one not closing properly..
Prior ,I let BPC know about the cam issue and they said they will "make it right". I then let them know there is material in the heads and that one valve is open (brass from the custom valve guides was the material). They asked me to send back the motor or even with the car and for all of this they would "tune" the car for me.. Sending it from vancouver canada wasn't happening especially with the car due to logistics of the border etc plus i was pissed. Considering the cost of this motor build I would expect a perfect motor.. I have all the emails back n forth with the owner of BPC during all of these issues. I have other builds and work/life that i couldn't just focus on this and the dealer was looking at this like "WTF" cause they knew how much i had spent.My current situation is that ill be running the bpc bottom end but have done my own spec of heads. The valve guides issue was cause the fitment of BPC's setup It was complete shit if it had ran good right way it wouldn't of ran for very long due to finding that later when having it apart some were very easy to take out. They have literally killed my passion to build this car i just want it running and that's it . I won't be installing the weistec 3582R kit anymore so if anyone is looking for a brand new kit not used or mounted .Im willing to let it go at a good price. I really like to stay out of this drama but its better that people know before falling into the guinea pig phase .
I haven't heard from BPC nor have i contacted them since the end of 2018 just due to frustration and them knowing where I stand. Never seen anything to make it right or cover any expenses I've had to deal with so far.
I will have the car back together in the next few weeks .

I'm sorry about your troubles with BPC but thank you for speaking up about your issue.

Other suggestions that i'm looking at are arsenal motorsports and rkautowerks

bm5bullit · 03-10-2019, 01:31 PM

Sorry to hear that about BPC. Would you possibly have pics of what the dealer found wrong with the heads?

RG604 · 03-10-2019, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bm5bullit

Sorry to hear that about BPC. Would you possibly have pics of what the dealer found wrong with the heads?

This is a pic of the valve that wouldn't close. You can see the material around it.. Luckily the cam journals were not damaged.
I have video of when we found oil on several valves ( brand new valve seals put in according to invoice which I'm not doubting but was a snowball effect). Once the springs were removed we were able to reproduce the oil flowing down the stem. You can see the brass dust from the guides washing down with the oil.

RG604 · 03-10-2019, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by induc916

I'm sorry about your troubles with BPC but thank you for speaking up about your issue.

Other suggestions that i'm looking at are arsenal motorsports and rkautowerks

Im waiting to see what happens with this bottom end since i am confident in the heads and everything else that I've had sorted. Everyone has hiccups as a engine builder and nobody wants to look like a sucker or guinea pig as a customer. But i guess we will see what happens when people start doing stuff besides dyne videos.

tonydat1 · 03-12-2019, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RG604

Im waiting to see what happens with this bottom end since i am confident in the heads and everything else that I've had sorted. Everyone has hiccups as a engine builder and nobody wants to look like a sucker or guinea pig as a customer. But i guess we will see what happens when people start doing stuff besides dyne videos.

I feel your frustration. I'm currently a guinea pig for a local shop here and the time it's taking is killing me. Only good thing is that the owner is making sure everything is done to his standard the first time so we hopefully don't run into any issues. It was either them or BPC, so looks like I've been saved.

RG604 · 03-12-2019, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonydat1

I feel your frustration. I'm currently a guinea pig for a local shop here and the time it's taking is killing me. Only good thing is that the owner is making sure everything is done to his standard the first time so we hopefully don't run into any issues. It was either them or BPC, so looks like I've been saved.

Sorry to hear about the delay but I'm also now hoping I don't end up with this oil consumption problem the OP was having. BPC was always quick to reply and check in with all of the issues that were happening but sending an email or making a call is an easy thing. Honouring a product/service is another.28k bill to get something I've almost spend another 28 on trying to troubleshoot/fix is fucked up.

bm5bullit · 03-13-2019, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RG604

This is a pic of the valve that wouldn't close. You can see the material around it.. Luckily the cam journals were not damaged.
I have video of when we found oil on several valves ( brand new valve seals put in according to invoice which I'm not doubting but was a snowball effect). Once the springs were removed we were able to reproduce the oil flowing down the stem. You can see the brass dust from the guides washing down with the oil.

Wow. Sorry to see that this kind of mishap happens to a shop that specializes in our brand. Seems like very important details got by the tech working on your motor. I am now considering letting the senior BMW that did my trans work do the forged bottom end for my car. He seemed extremely confident that this would the kind of work he could handle without issues.

allmotor_2000 · 03-13-2019, 10:33 PM

Glad you have aired this out. There is a lot of stories like this for various builders that never make it public.

So far the only builder with multiple s63tu’s running well out there is Carbahn. They are expensive but they just work.

Everybody else is just Mickey Mouse and literally have < 25% of motors even starting up and idling let alone run and make any meaningful power.

Don’t drink the kool aid!

02-06-2019, 04:21 PM	#1
wheelpro Lieutenant 175 Rep 594 Posts Drives: M5,F10,JB4,DP,CP,METH,SSP Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: CAIRO iTrader: (0)	For who interested engine building (AVOID BPC) Lets talk about more specs for Engine parts Clearance Oil viscosity Different between stock , upgraded parts A lot of brands Who success and who failed and why Really i am the only man i the world remove and installed that engine to check all parts and condition Lets discuss about that f.... engine I am ready who is ready ? __________________ Mohamed kamal elkasaby Last edited by wheelpro; 03-16-2019 at 03:33 PM.. Reason: MORE DETAILS
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wheelpro Lieutenant 175 Rep 594 Posts Drives: M5,F10,JB4,DP,CP,METH,SSP Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: CAIRO iTrader: (0)	Ok I will start Darton sleeves really good company I checked. Many times and removed Engine 3 times .good to know that and for who interested too They know specs and martial well Bpc.co They dont know what they fid for specs When I bought parts( sleeves, pistons , rods , rings) I found rods not compatible for my engine For s63 Engine we have till 2011 and from 2012-2016 What is the different? Tang for cap bearing and rods too Different styles I asked bpc They replied me We have no idea . Its not our issue. !!!!! and we will refund you 350$ Funny company from 10500 $ they want to refund 350$ : and till now no reply no refund no fear I will try to return parts and try to take my money , but i think they will refused , and they will blame me , and cp carrillo as they said , thats my right Ok I contact cp carrillo they said we didn't made rods after 2011 What ever please send us rods and we can fix it I sent finally received rods With same issue They open notch from one side not both I told them why one side only They said sorry You have 3 options 1- buy rod bearing before 2011 2- send us rods again 3- remove notch from bearing I said how come 1- My bearing new 2- Rods to send and received take looooooong time 3- if i removed notch from bearing thats safe ? They said yes we made a lot with no issues My fault I removed notch as they said What ever Happened what happened Total seal rings Good company Professional But do you know why Engine after rebuild with a lot of issues and all disappear ???? Because they are victims After market companies Want to sell , no care about that engine as well Do you know why Engine eat oil like black m5 from bpc and they said we want to inspect bla bla bla ????? Cause they made pistons specs with no idea how to make Diamond pistons good company But if someone want to make order they said please send us specs Bpc sent wrong specs I bought 2 times rings from total seal My engine eat 1 liter for first 1000 km And mow every 500 km 1 liter Finally 300 km 1 liter Issue from pistons I am sure they now going to rebuild there engine again after 30000 km want to inspect They try to rebuild again in secret I will tell You updates soon __________________ Mohamed kamal elkasaby
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wheelpro Lieutenant 175 Rep 594 Posts Drives: M5,F10,JB4,DP,CP,METH,SSP Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: CAIRO iTrader: (0)	What about clearance for rod bearing and main bearing ? What about oil viscosity? Why they said use only 10w60 ? why they use same clearance for crankshaft and rod bearing size ? Did they asked them self ? Bla bla bla with no good answer ? Stock engine clearance .025 mm -.038 as max Too tight I inspected all parts after removing engine and checked everything more and more How come i use 10w60 without modified clearance first ??? Use 10w60 for forget pistons and sleeves right ,? Without modification? Bad result __________________ Mohamed kamal elkasaby
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RG604 New Member 11 Rep 27 Posts Drives: f10 m5 Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0)	My motor build from BPC (# 3 or 4 )was an epic fail . I had my motor sent to them got it back and had our local bmw dealer do the install since they are quick and we have a good relationship with them.They got everything in , m5 wouldn't start and they found that the intake cam on bank one and the exhaust cam on the 2nd were 180 degrees out. Installed backwards but with the tool bmw provides it can be just human error .. Thankfully having seen that before in house they sorted it quickly not wasting much time chasing diagnostics . So everything gets put back together and the tech calls me right away saying once the car gets warmer the exhaust is smoking really bad . Check everything from turbos and scope the valves to find one not closing properly.. Prior ,I let BPC know about the cam issue and they said they will "make it right". I then let them know there is material in the heads and that one valve is open (brass from the custom valve guides was the material). They asked me to send back the motor or even with the car and for all of this they would "tune" the car for me.. Sending it from vancouver canada wasn't happening especially with the car due to logistics of the border etc plus i was pissed. Considering the cost of this motor build I would expect a perfect motor.. I have all the emails back n forth with the owner of BPC during all of these issues. I have other builds and work/life that i couldn't just focus on this and the dealer was looking at this like "WTF" cause they knew how much i had spent.My current situation is that ill be running the bpc bottom end but have done my own spec of heads. The valve guides issue was cause the fitment of BPC's setup It was complete shit if it had ran good right way it wouldn't of ran for very long due to finding that later when having it apart some were very easy to take out. They have literally killed my passion to build this car i just want it running and that's it . I won't be installing the weistec 3582R kit anymore so if anyone is looking for a brand new kit not used or mounted .Im willing to let it go at a good price. I really like to stay out of this drama but its better that people know before falling into the guinea pig phase . I haven't heard from BPC nor have i contacted them since the end of 2018 just due to frustration and them knowing where I stand. Never seen anything to make it right or cover any expenses I've had to deal with so far. I will have the car back together in the next few weeks . __________________ IG: RacingGreed
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