Chris Harris drives the new E63S- Video inside

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Vic55

After 8 M's I cant remember one that had the M embossed logo- maybe my E39 M5 but that was 15 years ago

Dave, remember the 2013 F10 M5 debacle; no side bolsters but the F13 M6 in 2013 got them? Everyone was all pissed off.

I have no doubt the seats will have full contour adjustments.

The E60 M5 did come with an M5 Logo on the floor mats from the factory when the 2006 model year was first released in America. And oh yes, I will never forget, nor forgive BMW for not giving 2013 M5's adjustable side-bolsters. Such bullshit!

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Maybe but probably not yet.... Im going to let the markup subside first. The early adopters will pay a premium. No AMG is worth a markup, especially on a regular production car.

Agree... the same thing for M Car of course ...

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

The E60 M5 did come with an M5 Logo on the floor mats from the factory when the 2006 model year was first released in America. And oh yes, I will never forget, nor forgive BMW for not giving 2013 M5's adjustable side-bolsters. Such bullshit!

I never had an E60 M5- only the E63 M6..... baaaaaaaaaam

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Agree... the same thing for M Car of course ...

Agree, not even for an M2 or M4 GTS, or even that new M2 CS coming out. I'm still proud of the fact that I got my F10 17% off MSRP before it was even available in the United States yet as the next generation M5 at that time.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I never had an E60 M5- only the E63 M6..... baaaaaaaaaam

Memories, in the corners of my mind...

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Agree, not even for an M2 or M4 GTS, or even that new M2 CS coming out. I'm still proud of the fact that I got my F10 17% off MSRP before it was even available in the United States yet as the next generation M5 at that time.

I got 17% Off on M6 too but she was sitting on Newport beach for 9 months waiting for me LOL

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by Vic55

great dialogue here no doubt---- I can't wait for an owner to chime in; i hear stateside deliveries are going to be circa the end of July.

I found the first few MSRP cars and both are Edition 1's at 133,145. I know this is at the high point against F10 M5's (mine was 133k) but its a lot of bang for the buck IMHO.

P88 Edition 1: AMG Night Package Components, 20" AMG Black Forged
872 : Heated Rear Seats
810 : Burmester® Surround Sound System
732 : AMG Carbon Fiber Center Console Trim
640 : LED Intelligent Light System
608 : Adaptive Highbeam Assist
596 : Infrared-absorbing Glass
555 : AMG Performance Seats
546 : Speed Limit Pilot
540 : Power Rear-Window Sunshade
513 : Speed Limit Assist
51U : Black Fabric Headliner
501 : Surround View Camera
463 : Head-Up Display with AMG Specific Content
413 : Panorama Sunroof
293 : Rear Side Airbags (SPC)
266 : DISTRONIC PLUS with Steering Assist
233 : DISTRONIC PLUS (with PRE-SAFE Brake)
23P : Driver Assistance Package
U78 : AMG Performance Exhaust System
U66 : Edition 1 Floormats w/ Yellow Stitching
U50 : AMG Night Package Steering Code
RTS : 20" AMG Black Forged Cross-Spoke Wheels
P60 : AMG Exterior Night Styling
P44 : Parking Package (RVC & Parktronic)
P35 : Lighting Package
P21 : AIR BALANCE Cabin Air Purification and Fragrance

The Edition 1 Standard USA Package is pretty much the same package we get here in our side of the pond (except heated rear seats). We are also getting a nice markup here as well, as is usual with the launch of these cars - (R$ 720.000 which is approximately - US$ 225.000. The normal price I presume will begin in 2018 which will be R$ 620.000 - around US$195.000.). Nevertheless these Edition 1s look very sleek especially with the Matte paint finish. Here in Brazil the first E 63s for customer are arriving in September (we only have 2 cars so far, an Edition 1 owned by the factory, and a white press car).

[RPiM5]

I like the Matte Paint, Alcantara Steering Wheel, floor mats, and Yellow Stitching all over the cabin that the Edition 1 comes with. Does the USA get those awesome looking front seats too?! Those seats look like they have a hell of a lot of bolstering.

[RPiM5]

Also, looks like Mr. AMG got an Edition 1 too!

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Also, looks like Mr. AMG got an Edition 1 too!

Repost

LOL

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Also, looks like Mr. AMG got an Edition 1 too!

Wait a minute.... Are you working for MB or BMW???!!!!

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Wait a minute.... Are you working for MB or BMW???!!!!

Neither! Lol! I don't work at BMW anymore. That was a short gig to hold me over until I got my next professional career kicked off.

But yeah, I am slowly becoming an AMG fan after all of the disappointments M Division has been releasing lately.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Neither! Lol! I don't work at BMW anymore. That was a short gig to hold me over until I got my next professional career kicked off.

But yeah, I am slowly becoming an AMG fan after all of the disappointments M Division has been releasing lately.

Drive it first, your opinion in regards to YOUR purchase is all that should matter. Who knows, you may not like the bolsters enough

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Infotainment and Wet Clutch aside I think this new E63S may actually be the very first time I may consider an E63 over an M5. We'll done Mercedes. Well done!

Thanks for sharing Vic! Absolutely love Chris's honest opinion on the car.

I was hoping to love this car, as it does look freaking awesome and interior with infotainment system are great. But i have spent couple hours on track with it and I have managed to overheat both gearbox and turbos (I did not do it on purpose, I was using it as I would use my M5 on track), car was lacking power above 4k rpms 3rd+ gear and changes were crazy slow.
It is a pig, I did not enjoy handling even compared with stock non competition M5 and I of course dont even need to mention AMG GTs handling.
Also i did not feel car being 3.Xs 0-100 fast.

I am well disappointed with the car. I had WOW factor jumping in the car in the morning and was happy to hand keys back. It did not feel fast whatsoever. Also seats are extremely comfy and soft, but they do not hold you in like M5 M-Multifunctional Seats do. You get wobbled around left and right. Only part i enjoyed was going sideways with shitloads of smoke!

Nonetheless I am still willing to buy E43 or E300 with AMG styling and fully loaded interior for daily and upgrade my beast to F90 once LCI is out.

This is the perfect car if you can have 1 car only, you have proper winter with snow falls and shitloads of traffic.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I agree with the sense that the lack of AWD is the major fault of the M5 F10. 560hp with RWD and 2tons to carry around is insane.

On the other hand, I don't think Merc's AWD system is not as good as Porsche's. In fact it is the exact same setup that a 911 Turbo or a GTR use. It provides the rear with the power most of the time (to get better turn-in, less understeer), and provides the front wheels with more torque the moment you start exiting the corner. Because of this setup it has some sliding around, but so does a 911. The GTR does also slide a bit for that matter. To do that you have to be obviously be 100% on power, with all the nannies off, but the E 63 AWD does have the same overall logic and setup of these cars. The main advantage that I can spot from the E 63 is that the transition and the torque vectoring is more progressive and natural than you think. It has been a general consensus (and from my experience with the car) I can assure you, you don't feel the power going around the different wheels, everything is very natural. The E 63 AMG doesn't feel like a RWD car, unless you go full bonkers and access drift mode. It does steer with the accuracy of a RWD car, and it does slide a bit, but it drives like a AWD car. If you mash the throttle in corner exit, you are not going to spin around in a cloud of your own smoke.

The reason I don't think it is as good as Porsche's is because in Steve Sutcliffe's comparison test he said it was "more of a handful" than the Panamera Turbo.

While I agree that the AMG 4MATIC+ is similar technically to the Porsche system in that it can send 100% of the torque to any wheel, there are 2 key differences:
1) Programming where I believe the Porsche system is designed to react quicker
2) Porsche combines the AWD with four wheel steering which makes a massive difference to handling, lateral grip and creating a small car feel in a larger car.

BTW don't think I am anti-AMG. I have an AMG GLC63S Coupe on order and that car uses the same 4MATIC+ system as the E63S. I would have bought the E63S but my wife prefers an SUV ?

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

The reason I don't think it is as good as Porsche's is because in Steve Sutcliffe's comparison test he said it was "more of a handful" than the Panamera Turbo.

While I agree that the AMG 4MATIC+ is similar technically to the Porsche system in that it can send 100% of the torque to any wheel, there are 2 key differences:
1) Programming where I believe the Porsche system is designed to react quicker
2) Porsche combines the AWD with four wheel steering which makes a massive difference to handling, lateral grip and creating a small car feel in a larger car.

BTW don't think I am anti-AMG. I have an AMG GLC63S Coupe on order and that car uses the same 4MATIC+ system as the E63S. I would have bought the E63S but my wife prefers an SUV ?

Yeah I agree with you, I actually think it is the 4Wheel Steering the aspect that gives that slight edge to the Panamera over the E 63 AMG S in both reviews (in terms of limit handling). I never gave much thought to the Panamera Turbo (especially considering it costs twice as much as the competition) but damn the thing is a complete killer as well.

That is possibly why the pilot from the Aussie magazine and Suttcliffe complained that although the E63 is great underpower, there is a slight mid-corner understeer (something that doesn't happen in the Porsche).

Nevertheless I do believe the 4WD programming in the E63 is excellent given it is a 2 ton animal with 600hp.

Btw nice choice on the GLC 63. The other car I drove on the AMG day here was the GLC43. Very nice car as well (completely murders the X4 on all levels). I would own one in a hearbeat.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by mstmng

I was hoping to love this car, as it does look freaking awesome and interior with infotainment system are great. But i have spent couple hours on track with it and I have managed to overheat both gearbox and turbos (I did not do it on purpose, I was using it as I would use my M5 on track), car was lacking power above 4k rpms 3rd+ gear and changes were crazy slow.
It is a pig, I did not enjoy handling even compared with stock non competition M5 and I of course dont even need to mention AMG GTs handling.
Also i did not feel car being 3.Xs 0-100 fast.

I am well disappointed with the car. I had WOW factor jumping in the car in the morning and was happy to hand keys back. It did not feel fast whatsoever. Also seats are extremely comfy and soft, but they do not hold you in like M5 M-Multifunctional Seats do. You get wobbled around left and right. Only part i enjoyed was going sideways with shitloads of smoke!

Nonetheless I am still willing to buy E43 or E300 with AMG styling and fully loaded interior for daily and upgrade my beast to F90 once LCI is out.

This is the perfect car if you can have 1 car only, you have proper winter with snow falls and shitloads of traffic.

Thanks Mate, a completely different perspective than what we had been hearing. But a respected one since we know you here.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by mstmng

I was hoping to love this car, as it does look freaking awesome and interior with infotainment system are great. But i have spent couple hours on track with it and I have managed to overheat both gearbox and turbos (I did not do it on purpose, I was using it as I would use my M5 on track), car was lacking power above 4k rpms 3rd+ gear and changes were crazy slow.
It is a pig, I did not enjoy handling even compared with stock non competition M5 and I of course dont even need to mention AMG GTs handling.
Also i did not feel car being 3.Xs 0-100 fast.

I am well disappointed with the car. I had WOW factor jumping in the car in the morning and was happy to hand keys back. It did not feel fast whatsoever. Also seats are extremely comfy and soft, but they do not hold you in like M5 M-Multifunctional Seats do. You get wobbled around left and right. Only part i enjoyed was going sideways with shitloads of smoke!

Nonetheless I am still willing to buy E43 or E300 with AMG styling and fully loaded interior for daily and upgrade my beast to F90 once LCI is out.

This is the perfect car if you can have 1 car only, you have proper winter with snow falls and shitloads of traffic.

Interesting perspective. Completely different to what I felt. What settings were you driving in? Was it a S Package?

I drive a M6 GC daily, and the E 63 felt quicker. I didn't drive it for hours so I can't attain to the overheating problem. Nevertheless the E 63 was driven hard for an entire day on the AMG Driving Tour, and it only cut power from overheating once. I drove it for a total of 6 laps, (3 sessions of 2 laps) with different settings, one in Sport, the other in Sport Plus, and lastly in Race.

I also find it odd the remark regarding the transmission gear change time. I am not saying it is as fast as M-DCT, but it is pretty quick, in fact my company car is a Passat 2.0 TSI with a DSG box, and I can easily say that the 9 speed MCT is quicker than DSG, which is a very quick double clutch.

The pig handling I can understand that it feels like a heavy car, but my M6 also feels like a pretty heavy beast. I can understand the fact that you possibly found the E63 had more understeer when the gas pedal is mashed mid-corner if compared to the M5, but the rest of the remarks differ severely from my experience. Nevertheless you had quite a lot more sitting time, and you are a more experience track driver than I am.

It will be interesting to see the response from more people to get the general consensus from everyone that has driven the car.

My daily commuter and its amazing fuel consumption lol

[Vic55]

Ill finally get to drive one at the end of this month or the start of August stateside. I have a few MBZ contacts so I should get a decent amount of time behind the wheel like I was afforded with the C63S and GTS.

[RPiM5]

Wow, that's quite some difference in experiences. The plot thickens. Chris Harris seemed to not have the same complaints about overheating and slow shifting.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Wow, that's quite some difference in experiences. The plot thickens. Chris Harris seemed to not have the same complaints about overheating and slow shifting.

Who knows the dynamics behind his test run(s). He might have had the car for a long period and run it hard with gaps in time between. There are too many variables there. Lets face it, the F10 M5 cooling system sucks and I would pull timing after 3 hard runs with just a basic bench flash.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Drive it first, your opinion in regards to YOUR purchase is all that should matter. Who knows, you may not like the bolsters enough

Agree...
Have never driven this car but from the Video I have a feeling it's a heavy and understeer car .... I don't know maybe I'm wrong or maybe that's the way it looks when the car is AWD.... however it's obvious this car is not designed for racetrack but anyways when someone buy an M car or AMG car. he/she expect some sort of agility ... Looks like this car is lazy...
Do you guys know how much it does weigh?