[lignek]

Hi all
First time I posted anything
Ordered an E90 320d in Norway in mid of April (My First BMW!)
Delivery end of June so now it is only 4 weeks waiting!!!!
Wanted the Style 162- 18'' Alloy Wheels but the roads here are not like roads in Denmark or Germany or odder countries in Europe or in US. too many bumps and holes
You guys over there have very good roads at least in Florida
My car will in Germany costs about 45.000,- euro inkl16%vat(netto export ca 38,000,-)
The tax in Norway will be add about 30.000,- euro total 68.000,- euro
This is robbery, do I want to immigrate
YES
The prices you pay for extras in Germany we have to pay double because of tax to the government
Only comfort is that the car is more expensive in Denmark

A clean 320d manual cost in Norway about 48.000,- euro (n.kr390.000,-)
A clean 320d manual cost in in Denmark about 65.000,-euro(dk.kr 520.000,-
A clean 320d manual cost in Sweden about 31.000,- euro (sv.kr 280.000,-)
A clean 320d manual cost in Germany about 29.000 euro

[Hornet]

Ain't much better here in Finland either. 44 200€ for 320d

[llaroo]

wow, in Canada you are looking at around 28,500 Euros for a 325i with sports package, sunroof and a lot of features that are standard,
ie, Xenons, DSC, CBC, all the traction features, cd player, 17" wheels, rear seats folding and pass through, power everything [ you actually have power windows up front and manual windows in the rear in Europe?, that's just weird]. Canada is a lot farther from Germany than the rest of you, and I thought our taxes were high here!

[E90Fleet]

We make 325i for the USA here

but they pay around 65% of what we pay for them here, even though we make them and they have to be shiped 1/4 way around the world to the USA

[lignek]

Just a adjustment
In what we in Norway call plain car we have el.windows in front and rear, heated front seats,radio Business, with Cd,
Front middle armrest,Smoker package and 16" steel with 205/55,
DTC,CBC,DBC,DSC,Run flat tyres,airbags front and rear,(total 8)
sentral locking,klima and a small driving computer ,but thats all.
I see that some of this others have to pay ekstra for

[llaroo]

we get all of that in Canada too. If you look at bmw.ca it shows all the standard features here too.

[wolfpack2]

In asian countries, we pay a lot more than you guys would imagine too. For example in Thailand, with the hefty tax levied on cars with engine higher than 2400cc or 220bhp, the price for new E90s are

320i is 2,400,000 Baht ~ around 48,000 Euro (50 baht = 1 euro)
320i SE is 2,700,000 Baht ~ around 54,000 Euro
330i SE is 4,200,000 Baht ~ around 84,000 Euro

These prices are not yet included 7% VAT which should raise above prices to 51,000, 58,000 and 90,000 Euro respectively.
Diesels are not our option either because it has to be imported from germany and the price should be at least 30% more according to Tax schedule.

[llaroo]

those prices are outrageous. How would anyone afford a 3 series. They're not meant to be executive cars. Where would a 7 series come in at?

[e90fanatic]

the new 3 is moving up the chain. because 1 and 2 series will come soon

[wolfpack2]

FYI, in Thailand

730iL is 6,350,000 ~ around 127,000 Euro
745iL is 14,000,000 ~ around 280,000 Euro
760iL is 18,000,000 ~ around 360,000 Euro

Is that executive enough?

[lignek]

BMW 730LiA 125.000 euro (nkr 999.000,-)
BMW 740LiA 148.000 euro (nkr 1.190.000,-)
BMW 760LiA 234.000 euro (nkr 1.879.000,-)
More KW and ccm bigger rippoff

[lignek]

about 50% is tax to the goverment

[icedragon]

Well ... if u want a bimmer, u can expect a hefty price tag.

[Athos]

I can't tell you how helpful this thread has been in assuaging my guilt about buying a new 3! As expensive as U.S. prices seem, they are remarkably inexpensive compared to the prices in other parts of the world. This could be the most therapeutic thread on the forum for U.S. buyers. Notice how must of us have been pretty quiet.

[CC 330i]

All that taxation really is a shame, but it seems that the governments in those countries are trying to discourage the personal automobile in favor of public transportation. That's admirable, and will definitely help save the environment, but that's not much comfort if you are a car enthusiast. Just make sure you don't rag on America for being such a big consumer of fossil fuels, and then turn around and complain about high car taxes/prices in your country. (not to mention high fuel prices). If you lowered taxes and tariffs on automobiles and fuel, you would also be "encouraging" more consumption. It wouldn't take long before your cars got bigger and bigger, and soon you would all probably be driving SUVs yourselves. I really dislike SUVs, but you can't prevent people from buying them unless you place a high tax on them, since they are cheap to make, and people seem to want them.

What you get in those countries with high taxes is basically this:
Only the rich can really enjoy driving cars (or at least cars with engines bigger than 2000 cc). Doesn't seem very egalitarian to me. But you can take pride in the fact that you are helping save the environment as you board the bus (paid for by the high taxes on cars).

I admit that part of the reason I chose the new 330i over the Audi S4 was that it got 30mpg on the highway vs. 20mpg or so with the S4. (So I feel that I am doing my part to save fuel).

[lignek]

You hit the nail.
But here in Norway public transportation in contry is poor.Only on main roads to bigger places you find a bus or train but then you need a car to get to your destination
In the big towns you have a problem too.
If I take a public transportation I will take me 45 min but whith a car 10 min
Thats the biggest problem TIME!!!!!!!!!

[CC 330i]

Originally Posted by lignek

You hit the nail.
But here in Norway public transportation in contry is poor.Only on main roads to bigger places you find a bus or train but then you need a car to get to your destination
In the big towns you have a problem too.
If I take a public transportation I will take me 45 min but whith a car 10 min
Thats the biggest problem TIME!!!!!!!!!

My father rode the train to work for 10 years in California, but he had to leave the house at 4:40 AM and didn't get home until about 6:30 PM. He had several cars, but didn't like driving to work because there was lots of traffic, and he liked to sleep on the train. When he arrived at the train station, he had to walk 2 miles to his office.

My drive to work has very little traffic, and I only have to do it 2 days a week, so I choose to drive. (It is also very beautiful). I would have to leave almost an hour earlier to get to work if I took the bus, and I would arrive home at least an hour later.

We have the same problem with public transportation here in the US as you do in Norway. People do not always live near the bus/train station because most people live in the suburbs. People are starting to move back into the cities, however, which I think is a good thing. I have spent quite a bit of time in Europe and I like the way many people live near the city/town center.

[pablob]

In Jamaica, the taxes on the E90 will be 120%!!!!! So a 325i which retails for about US$35000 will cost you about US$77000. In addition, the dealer mark-up is higher than anywhere that I have researched, so one could easily pay US$80000!!!!!!! And you guys think you have problems.

[lignek]

BMW E-90 325i manuell (nkr 505.000,-)US $ 80.000,-
BMW E-90 330i manuell (nkr 644.000,-)US $ 102.000,-

[llaroo]

leasing a premium brand in North America is pretty popular in order to make the cars more available without having to dish out a ton of cash. Is this true in other parts of the world ie, Europe, Asia, ... ?