0-60 times on the street.

[vafan13]

My friend with a tuned DCT E92 M3 posted a nice 4.0 0-60mph, which naturally made me want to go beat it. I was able to pretty consistently post 3.91-3.93 on back roads. What have you all been able to do on the street?

[technician117]

I haven't attempted any 0-60's in a long time. Partly due to the aggressive forces/stresses put on the car and tires. If I remember correctly, I was able to hit mid 4's? Bone stock with 6MT.

[vafan13]

Originally Posted by technician117

I haven't attempted any 0-60's in a long time. Partly due to the aggressive forces/stresses put on the car and tires. If I remember correctly, I was able to hit mid 4's? Bone stock with 6MT.

sounds about right with a manual. It's also not normally my thing in this. I prefer dropping the hammer from a 35-40mph roll, asi I have my 4.56-geared Cobra for stoplight clutch dumps. Competitiveness and curiosity got to me, though.

I know MT got 3.7. I'm assuming they were on a prepped surface, so 0.2s loss for well-paved, but (likely) dusty rural farmland roads is probably right. Was hoping with PS4S instead of PSS and the seemingly better weight transfer of the KW V3s that I could at least break into the high 3.8s, though.

[technician117]

Originally Posted by vafan13

sounds about right with a manual. It's also not normally my thing in this. I prefer dropping the hammer from a 35-40mph roll, asi I have my 4.56-geared Cobra for stoplight clutch dumps. Competitiveness and curiosity got to me, though.

I know MT got 3.7. I'm assuming they were on a prepped surface, so 0.2s loss for well-paved, but (likely) dusty rural farmland roads is probably right. Was hoping with PS4S instead of PSS and the seemingly better weight transfer of the KW V3s that I could at least break into the high 3.8s, though.

Don't get me wrong, now I'm going to have to go back out soon with the dragy and try again. lol. The Cobra does sound like an awesome tire smoker from a dig.

[vafan13]

Originally Posted by technician117

Don't get me wrong, now I'm going to have to go back out soon with the dragy and try again. lol. The Cobra does sound like an awesome tire smoker from a dig.

and if I break it, it is a lot cheaper to fix.

[Doctor_X]

My 0-60 times are embarrassing. Even with a 325 rear tire, the extra power from the mods blows the tires off. I’m sure I could do better with my throttle modulation but I never really hit it from a dig anymore.

[vafan13]

Originally Posted by Doctor_X

My 0-60 times are embarrassing. Even with a 325 rear tire, the extra power from the mods blows the tires off. I’m sure I could do better with my throttle modulation but I never really hit it from a dig anymore.

I had a hard time initially when I was trying to bring RPMs up to "launch" it. I'd either bog it or spin too much. I then read some old thread on here about just punching the gas and that has worked quite well. Being I'm not tuned, I'd guess I was punching it to ~75-80% in 1st and then going full WOT as soon as it shifted to 2nd.

[Doctor_X]

When I first got the Dragy I tried everything from launch control to second gear starts.

The best I did was 4.4s iirc - and traction was definitely an issue!

[AlisterB]

Originally Posted by vafan13

I had a hard time initially when I was trying to bring RPMs up to "launch" it. I'd either bog it or spin too much. I then read some old thread on here about just punching the gas and that has worked quite well. Being I'm not tuned, I'd guess I was punching it to ~75-80% in 1st and then going full WOT as soon as it shifted to 2nd.

For me (in my stock car), just 'punching the gas' results in spinning rear tyres (P Zeros suck on this car!!).

Definitely not an easy car to launch cleanly in my experience.

[M5Rick]

^ Looks like you need PS4S to improve launch times.

[vafan13]

Originally Posted by AlisterB

For me (in my stock car), just 'punching the gas' results in spinning rear tyres (P Zeros suck on this car!!).

Definitely not an easy car to launch cleanly in my experience.

PS4S are definitely better, but I think the key is not punching it all the way. I'd guess I was in the 70-85% range, but didn't have a great feel for it.

I also have KW V3s, which supposedly improve weight transfer. It feels like that's true, but don't have any concrete evidence that it actually does or how much.

[C-dub]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

^ Looks like you need PS4S to improve launch times.

...Or go all the way and run Pilot Sport Cup 2s.

Like many Northerners, I have a summer and winter setup. Except in South Florida, we have 2 seasons, dry in the winter and wet in the summer. I run the Cup 2s on my winter wheels and PSSs(will replace with PS4Ss when they wear out) in the summer. The difference is immense. Once you get them warm, the Cup 2s feel like they're made of glue, whereas the PSS are constantly spinning. Like the Doctor said, you can still blow the tires off if you don't use a sensitive right foot, but the Cup 2s make a very noticeable difference.

It should be mentioned that my Cup 2s are 305s vs 295s in the PSS, so it's not a 100% fair comparison.

[C-dub]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It's good when you can have the 2 sets, cup 2's and ps4s depending on the weather but the PSS are a no in any weather.

Sorry to thread jack, but are the Pilot Sport 4s that much better than the Pilot Super Sports? I thought they were more of an evolution than a revolution. My car came with a fairly new set of PSSs, so I'm just running them until they wear out. Maybe that's a mistake.

If I lived in somewhere dry year round, I would run the Cup 2s all the time like the previous owner of my car did.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by C-dub

Sorry to thread jack, but are the Pilot Sport 4s that much better than the Pilot Super Sports? I thought they were more of an evolution than a revolution. My car came with a fairly new set of PSSs, so I'm just running them until they wear out. Maybe that's a mistake.

If I lived in somewhere dry year round, I would run the Cup 2s all the time like the previous owner of my car did.

Shame the car came with PSS as Pilot S4S definitely have more grip, that's not only from me but others on the forum and if you do change get 305's on the back for even more traction from launch AND you'll be safe in the rain which your not on the Cup 2's.

[Blaxwil]

A brand new set of PSS felt like the 4's did when it was time to replace them. Not only the traction was improved but for me the noise was considerably less.

[M5Rick]

My old rear 295 PSS were about half worn and had a lot of skipping and screeching from launch getting nowhere.
A change to 305 pilot 4S's turned the car into something else with less screeching and more go and shortly after I changed the fronts to 4s also, very happy with these tyres without going Cup 2's.

[C-dub]

Sounds like you've had two very different experiences. Maybe the switch from 295s to 305s makes more of a difference than the PSS vs PS4S. It's hard to believe 1 little cm of rubber could make that much of a difference, but I guess it's possible. I'll share my thoughts with you guys when I switch to 305 PS4Ss.

[AlisterB]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Shame the car came with PSS as Pilot S4S definitely have more grip, that's not only from me but others on the forum and if you do change get 305's on the back for even more traction from launch AND you'll be safe in the rain which your not on the Cup 2's.

The reality is that the PS4S didn't exist when the F10 M5 was released - the PSS was fitted as standard and the top of the range Michelin road tyre at the time.

The PS4S definitely seem to get the most votes for all round road tyre on the F10 M5 though and will definitely be what I fit when the current tyres wear out.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by AlisterB

The reality is that the PS4S didn't exist when the F10 M5 was released - the PSS was fitted as standard and the top of the range Michelin road tyre at the time.

The PS4S definitely seem to get the most votes for all round road tyre on the F10 M5 though and will definitely be what I fit when the current tyres wear out.

Back in late '11 the car was released to UK,Europe and Canada and the PS4S tyre was available for sale in January 2017.

[vafan13]

Originally Posted by C-dub

Sounds like you've had two very different experiences. Maybe the switch from 295s to 305s makes more of a difference than the PSS vs PS4S. It's hard to believe 1 little cm of rubber could make that much of a difference, but I guess it's possible. I'll share my thoughts with you guys when I switch to 305 PS4Ss.

Personally I don't think a 305 on the same 10" rim is going to make any real difference in grip. That was also the opinion of a guy I know who is a professional racer I asked back when I was contemplating the 305s. That said, here we're specifically talking straight-line grip out of a dig, and neither of us are drag-racing experts.

I saw quite a significant increase in grip with new tires in the same size. I'd guess it was mostly just going from old, worn, and heat cycled tires to new ones, with the improvements from PSS to PS4S making up the rest.

[M5Rick]

^My rear 305's are at 5mm are still digging great with minimum squeak and that extra 1 cm makes the cut I tell ya

[Noggie]

Traction seems to be the biggest issue with the F10.

I though punching the gass all the way down initiated "burn out mode", that's what my old E46 M3 SMGII did. I assumed the same on the F10 but I never tried.

PSS vs PS4S Huge difference!!!
My car had a set of 60% worn PSS when I got it and the car was stock 575hp, traction was a huge issue.
Got a new set of PS4s and had very little traction issues before I put the stage II tune in, then it was just about the same as stock with PSS.
Starting to get used to the rear getting loose past 60mph now

Tire pressure will probably also be an issue, think you may need to go lower than recommended pressure to get more traction when setting a good time.