How much over MSRP would you pay for a 991 GT3 RS?

[ColdList]

I have an allocation for a friend. Very early delivery. Arrives in June/July. Can spec any way I want but will need to pay over MSRP. I will sell it in a few months. What would you actually pay for the car now and then in Aug.-Sept. after I have owned it? No wayI will keep it so I need to think now.

[Vic55]

I wouldnt. Thats just me but I dont need or want the car bad enough. Ive never paid over msrp for a car in my life let alont even msrp except once. The RS is for a real full time track user and that I am not. I have the RS for the street and thats call the GT3.

But from a business standpoint, roll the dice because its just a crap shoot on what you can get for it after a few months. If I did pay over msrp and it was to be sold in a few months, the car would never be driven, never tracked and basically housed and prepped for ebay.

[Used2be]

Originally Posted by ColdList

I have an allocation for a friend. What would you actually pay for the car now and then in Aug.-Sept. after I have owned it.

These cars are way out of my reach, I have no experience with the higher end, but isn't it supply and demand? If the release of the GT3 RS is very limited and you have one configured properly, couldn't you make money on the second sale to the right buyer in the time frame you're speaking of? I imagine for the lucky people who deal with this type of car, a few 10s of thousands one way or the other isn't the question. It's how much they want it! Ask your dealer what the allocation for the USA is and judge your opportunity. As Vic said, just do the proper break in for the new owner with no track time and that will add to its desirability.

[FTS]

Don't pay over MSRP; there are plenty of dealers that are selling for MSRP regardless of how it is configured. You probably already know this, but the more options you put on the more you lose during resale, except for color and performance options. Skip LED lights, interior options, phone options, GPS stuff, axle lift, etc. The more stipper it is, the more value it will have in second-hand market. A properly configured one should not exceed $190-$195K, actually I think the best purchase price point is $185-187K.

[M5essex]

I have just been to my Porsche dealer to chat about this and he said they took orders for these back in Dec 2011... they took over 15 orders and took £10k deposits from each of them. they can only fulfil 8 of them so have had to call the other 7 guys and gals to refund the money and put them on the reserve list. at £ 135k list they have shot off the shelves and some people have reportedly already sold their build to others for in excess of £ 200k! I read that someone was selling theirs at £ 160k over list price! feking madness. but this will be the final run of NA P cars before all will go turbo. so will be a very special, rare and sought after GT3 RS. some 997 4LTR GT3 RS are being sold at nearly £400K!
This new RS will be a collectors item, IMO, and will appreciate like nothing on earth... if you can get one, i'd snap it up!

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I wouldnt. Thats just me but I dont need or want the car bad enough. Ive never paid over msrp for a car in my life let alont even msrp except once. The RS is for a real full time track user and that I am not. I have the RS for the street and thats call the GT3.

But from a business standpoint, roll the dice because its just a crap shoot on what you can get for it after a few months. If I did pay over msrp and it was to be sold in a few months, the car would never be driven, never tracked and basically housed and prepped for ebay.

Yes. That is exactly what I would do. Just garage it and keep it. Will build it minimally with track options only. I am in serious debate over ordering a new Aventador Roadster for late summer delivery so I don't really need to do this but might for kicks.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by M5essex

I have just been to my Porsche dealer to chat about this and he said they took orders for these back in Dec 2011... they took over 15 orders and took £10k deposits from each of them. they can only fulfil 8 of them so have had to call the other 7 guys and gals to refund the money and put them on the reserve list. at £ 135k list they have shot off the shelves and some people have reportedly already sold their build to others for in excess of £ 200k! I read that someone was selling theirs at £ 160k over list price! feking madness. but this will be the final run of NA P cars before all will go turbo. so will be a very special, rare and sought after GT3 RS. some 997 4LTR GT3 RS are being sold at nearly £400K!
This new RS will be a collectors item, IMO, and will appreciate like nothing on earth... if you can get one, i'd snap it up!

Yeah. My dealer has a line a mile long for them. The only ones he is selling at MSRP are to very serious long time customers. I just hate to buy it and lose money. Would need to sell it fast if my new order(s) come in. Mine would be very early delivery (June/July) as it comes from a friend with a 918 order who is giving to me if I want. A few dealers here in the SE are selling for $50K over.

I don't think it will be as collectible as the 997 variant as that car was the last of the Mezger with manual.

[ColdList]

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[Used2be]

Originally Posted by ColdList

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Fun to fantasize for me. Couple of questions, can the front axle lift system be added by the dealer later? Is there much weight involved with it? Would it be something a predominately track use car would not want? This is small potatoes, but I'd think the new owner could add the carbon door sill guards later, as well as the audio options you list. Just to trim it down to bare essentials for less out of pocket for you.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by Used2be

Fun to fantasize for me. Couple of questions, can the front axle lift system be added by the dealer later? Is there much weight involved with it? Would it be something a predominately track use car would not want? This is small potatoes, but I'd think the new owner could add the carbon door sill guards later, as well as the audio options you list. Just to trim it down to bare essentials for less out of pocket for you.

Can't add a lift later I don't think. You really must have it on these cars. Sits very low. Most buyers will want it. Also, the adds would cost a fortune later purchase. This is a pretty attractive spec. for a track car with just a few extra comforts.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by ColdList

Can't add a lift later I don't think. You really must have it on these cars. Sits very low. Most buyers will want it. Also, the adds would cost a fortune later purchase. This is a pretty attractive spec. for a track car with just a few extra comforts.

For someone who has great roads and every car is lowered: the GT3 lifter is a must. Man that thing sits low:

Pardon the dirty car; I drive it.

[Un Gato Malodoro]

Originally Posted by Vic55

For someone who has great roads and every car is lowered: the GT3 lifter is a must. Man that thing sits low:

Pardon the dirty car; I drive it.

"Pardon the dirty car; I drive it" is one of the best statements I've seen in here. Well played, sir.

[bronch]

Originally Posted by ColdList

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Nicely optioned, but I think if you're looking to turn it around in a few months you're still going to take a hit. On the other hand, I do think this car will be a collector, so if you have the cash and space to store it I would do that. Of course, that's always a huge gamble with cars, but if they go turbo from here on out people will want one. Perhaps not as much as the 997, but I still think it will be. I think you're best chance is a much quicker turnaround, like weeks. I also think if you pay over MSRP that will add to the hit you'll take. You're better off with with the Koenigsegg Agera R.

[FLOMACKS]

Originally Posted by ColdList

I have an allocation for a friend. Very early delivery. Arrives in June/July. Can spec any way I want but will need to pay over MSRP. I will sell it in a few months. What would you actually pay for the car now and then in Aug.-Sept. after I have owned it? No wayI will keep it so I need to think now.

You know better than us. Did you loose anything on the GT3? Some guys on RL are saying that they're getting MSRP on their trade ins. I don't know.

Honestly - I'd pay MSRP+ to get an allocation for this car. Not 50K over at champion, but 10-15 maybe....

[RPiM5]

You'd probably break even or make a little profit on it ColdList. I am pretty sure that the GT3 RS will appreciate in value over time, even a few months. It will be super rare, highly in demand, and in very short supply when it comes out. A car like the GT3 RS is meant to be driven, so finding one that is practically brand new with only a few miles on it that is ready to be sold immediately will have much more desirability than trying to get an allocation from a dealer and having to wait months/years. This is my opinion anyway.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by FLOMACKS

You know better than us. Did you loose anything on the GT3? Some guys on RL are saying that they're getting MSRP on their trade ins. I don't know.

Honestly - I'd pay MSRP+ to get an allocation for this car. Not 50K over at champion, but 10-15 maybe....

Only if they are not branded titles---- my friend ran a low mile (under 1k) 2014 non branded at Riverside and it pulled 145k but a few branded ones pulled a lot less.

[Hoopumpers]

Don't pay over. They aren't super rare like the 1 of 600 997 GT3 RS 4.0. Something in the realm of 1200 will be coming to the U.S. 2000-2500 worldwide

They will hold value well, but not appreciate...unless or until all future Porsche GT cars go turbo.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by M5essex

I have just been to my Porsche dealer to chat about this and he said they took orders for these back in Dec 2011... they took over 15 orders and took £10k deposits from each of them. they can only fulfil 8 of them so have had to call the other 7 guys and gals to refund the money and put them on the reserve list. at £ 135k list they have shot off the shelves and some people have reportedly already sold their build to others for in excess of £ 200k! I read that someone was selling theirs at £ 160k over list price! feking madness. but this will be the final run of NA P cars before all will go turbo. so will be a very special, rare and sought after GT3 RS. some 997 4LTR GT3 RS are being sold at nearly £400K!
This new RS will be a collectors item, IMO, and will appreciate like nothing on earth... if you can get one, i'd snap it up!

Agreed the UK RHD market is more bonkers than most, the LHD market for the GT3's isn't anywhere near as daft, £375k for a RHD 997 4.0RS is just stupid and only UK punters seem happy to pay these prices.

Same with Ferrari as well a 430 Scuderia sells for £185k in the UK but a LHD one sells for £85k on the continent, for 100k I'd put up with the LHD!

[FLOMACKS]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Only if they are not branded titles---- my friend ran a low mile (under 1k) 2014 non branded at Riverside and it pulled 145k but a few branded ones pulled a lot less.

Have you had yours out on the track yet?

I've been running at road Atlanta this weekend, and the word in the Paddock is that it's pretty much the greatest car on the planet. You want to stay planted and drop fast lap times? It does it. You want to go sideways? It goes sideways. I'm trying to get a ride in one.

On the Z06. While they've made some improvements on the "easy to drive" front, I've still been passing them all weekend. It looks like it's still too much car for pretty much everyone. Also, it chews through tires like crazy- front and back. Doing some compares between MSC2's on the GT3's and Z06's it's night and day.

My C2S runs great on this track, can't imagine what a GT3 or GT3RS would do.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by FLOMACKS

Have you had yours out on the track yet?

I've been running at road Atlanta this weekend, and the word in the Paddock is that it's pretty much the greatest car on the planet. You want to stay planted and drop fast lap times? It does it. You want to go sideways? It goes sideways. I'm trying to get a ride in one.

On the Z06. While they've made some improvements on the "easy to drive" front, I've still been passing them all weekend. It looks like it's still too much car for pretty much everyone. Also, it chews through tires like crazy- front and back. Doing some compares between MSC2's on the GT3's and Z06's it's night and day.

My C2S runs great on this track, can't imagine what a GT3 or GT3RS would do.

No track time .. yet. But Ill echo 100% what the other owners are saying about the car as Ive been driving it to the max since day one on safe Mexican toll roads. It just goes and goes and turns and turns; its so stable at speed. A lot of this has to do with the rear to mid engine set up with the 991 and the chassis structure. As you can attest to, the 991 is worlds better than its predecessors. I had a 996, 997.1, 997.2 and 3 991's = no comparo. Its just an amazing car that enables one to go faster than ever yet it also requires driver involvement and connection. I have mentioned before that while performance numbers are very important, the subjective driver connection and "feel" is equally if not more. No wonder I loved my 991 C4S with "only" 400 hp.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by Vic55

No track time .. yet. But Ill echo 100% what the other owners are saying about the car as Ive been driving it to the max since day one on safe Mexican toll roads. It just goes and goes and turns and turns; its so stable at speed. A lot of this has to do with the rear to mid engine set up with the 991 and the chassis structure. As you can attest to, the 991 is worlds better than its predecessors. I had a 996, 997.1, 997.2 and 3 991's = no comparo. Its just an amazing car that enables one to go faster than ever yet it also requires driver involvement and connection. I have mentioned before that while performance numbers are very important, the subjective driver connection and "feel" is equally if not more. No wonder I loved my 991 C4S with "only" 400 hp.

Agreed 1000%. The GT3 is truly an amazing car in 3.8L form. I think I am passing on the RS though. Not a fan of paying over sticker for anything unless the market ALREADY shows a definite warrant for it. This is still a lot of speculation on just how much the car will actually bring in post dealer sales.

Goodness knows the RS with the 4.0 will be unbelievable on the track. On the roads in everyday driving the car is planted and nimble and you feel so connected. Hard to imagine the ways it has been "improved". We shall see when the RS starts hitting the streets.

Again, I don't believe that it is quite as iconic as the 997 RS 4.0 nor do I believe that it will be in as much long term demand. However, it is supposed to be the very best track car that Porsche has overproduced. So who knows...

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Pardon the dirty car; I drive it.

"Wash Me"