ACM Backend Flash + JB4/BCM 800WHP & 842WTQ

[frozenman]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Is it true BR initially cracked the code and essentially gifted a windfall to BMW tuners?

That's the word on the street. They were one of the first to be able to tune the FXX cars with the CMD Tool. While this may be true, you still hear the term "over the counter" tunes (OTC) when you mention BR. Our tuning files are customized to the customers requirements and the cars requirements. If they were OTC, show me another car making the same power and dyno curve.

To wakeofdeath's statement, "I support real tuners" is pure nonsense. I guess Pure Turbos doesn't work with a "real tuner" either. We did some initial testing with one of their customers F80 M3 and we had great success. IMO, if it wasn't for BR, there would be no "F" chassis tuning as they have set the stage for all the tuners developing the platform currently.

There are many ways to tune a car and I don't believe one way is better than the other. Different tuners use different approaches and as long as you are making good safe power while keeping the drivability of the car the same, you have done a good job. All_Motor's runs one tune and a JB4 and I run a different tune and JB4 but yet we both are at similar power levels. We are both making almost 300whp more than stock power levels which wouldn't be possible without bench flash tuning, JB4 or Pure Turbos. Kudos to all the people that keep pushing the envelope with this platform and I am excited to see what the Pure Stage 2 turbos can do for this platform.

[TheHouseWon]

Can someone please sell me the software to tune my own car?

[frozenman]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Can someone please sell me the software to tune my own car?

Its a little more complicated than that. Not only do you need the software to tune the file but also the tool to read and write the file to the DME.

Many options in terms of the brand of the tool and software you choose to use...

Tool pricing starts at about $8K (which is for a minimal set of make/model of cars) and goes up as much as $25k (which includes all the different makes/models of cars). This stuff is not cheap.

Plus, tuning these DMEs requires many years of experience with tuning in general while knowing how to define tables where all the parameters are stored. Not an easy job.

[DCT OFF]

Originally Posted by Redrckt135

This thread got absolutely ridiculous. Not sure why this wakeofdeath character even posted here. You should keep your negativity and Instagram links to yourself, you sound like another struggling tuner with a troll account who's envious of the popularity DME TUNING has gained on this forum.

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98% of your posts on tuner threads. Grow the fuck up and raise the quality of your product because clearly it sucks

Anyways, my power mods include the ACM stage 1 tune, MSR intakes, and a full switzer exhaust. I could care less about having the fastest car, running the fastest quarter mile, or pulling on cars street racing. That being said, after having the ACM stage 1 tune installed the car feels much faster and the power delivery is absolutely perfect. I don't have any dyno numbers to back up my claims, nor am I a fanboy chiming in. Yes AutoCouture built my car, yes DME tuning tuned it, but when you want the best work done on your 100k+ car you go to the best shop in the area.

+1!!

[TheHouseWon]

Originally Posted by frozenman

Its a little more complicated than that. Not only do you need the software to tune the file but also the tool to read and write the file to the DME.

Many options in terms of the brand of the tool and software you choose to use...

Tool pricing starts at about $8K (which is for a minimal set of make/model of cars) and goes up as much as $25k (which includes all the different makes/models of cars). This stuff is not cheap.

Plus, tuning these DMEs requires many years of experience with tuning in general while knowing how to define tables where all the parameters are stored. Not an easy job.

Thanks.

Found out we have MEDV17.2.8 and can use KTAG tool to flash (Alientech brand?). http://www.tuningfiles.com/tools/ali...flashing-tool/

Can also use CMD OBD/Boot/BDM version with Fxx plugin that comes with adapter. ECU has to be physically accessed with direct connection to MPC with adapter (or some have BDM port where you use BDM cable).

So what to buy? Master/Slave kit? Slave kit if you want to use someone else's remaps, Master tool is open and can flash remaps from all providers (Slave tool has all protocols included). If you go with Master you have to select tricore protocols...

Thought I'd do a little digging as the tuners never really go into detail about what they do or how they do it.

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by frozenman

That's the word on the street. They were one of the first to be able to tune the FXX cars with the CMD Tool. While this may be true, you still hear the term "over the counter" tunes (OTC) when you mention BR. Our tuning files are customized to the customers requirements and the cars requirements. If they were OTC, show me another car making the same power and dyno curve.

To wakeofdeath's statement, "I support real tuners" is pure nonsense. I guess Pure Turbos doesn't work with a "real tuner" either. We did some initial testing with one of their customers F80 M3 and we had great success. IMO, if it wasn't for BR, there would be no "F" chassis tuning as they have set the stage for all the tuners developing the platform currently.

There are many ways to tune a car and I don't believe one way is better than the other. Different tuners use different approaches and as long as you are making good safe power while keeping the drivability of the car the same, you have done a good job. All_Motor's runs one tune and a JB4 and I run a different tune and JB4 but yet we both are at similar power levels which proves there is no "right way" to tune a car. We are both making almost 300whp more than stock power levels which wouldn't be possible without bench flash tuning or Pure Turbos. Kudos to all the people that keep pushing the envelope with this platform and I am excited to see what the Pure Stage 2 turbos can do for this platform.

Not entirely fact.

BR was able to unlock the ECU by figuring out the way to extract the ECU key. It's a service mode doorway which requires an oscillator at a certain frequency which unlocked the key. After that it is basically Infineon Tri-core boot mode read/write. After that folks use OLS to change the load targets. That's why any guy with a Facebook account and halfway computer literate can create a tune. Now not all tuners are the same and some actually explore further and actually try to understand how the car works. You need to align with one of those as you can seriously screw something up by randomly changing things. Similarly there is one guy who broke the OBD2 encryption so now we can flash via cable ONCE the ECU codes are read.

Right now we are limited by the turbos - tunes only changed the power curve and that can affect your times and not really peak power.

Don't drink all the kool-aid, this isn't rocket science and a 'tooner' will make most his investment back with just one flash sale.

[TheHouseWon]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Not entirely fact.

BR was able to unlock the ECU by figuring out the way to extract the ECU key. It's a service mode doorway which requires an oscillator at a certain frequency which unlocked the key. After that it is basically Infineon Tri-core boot mode read/write. After that folks use OLS to change the load targets. That's why any guy with a Facebook account and halfway computer literate can create a tune. Now not all tuners are the same and some actually explore further and actually try to understand how the car works. You need to align with one of those as you can seriously screw something up by randomly changing things. Similarly there is one guy who broke the OBD2 encryption so now we can flash via cable ONCE the ECU codes are read.

Right now we are limited by the turbos - tunes only changed the power curve and that can affect your times and not really peak power.

Don't drink all the kool-aid, this isn't rocket science and a 'tooner' will make most his investment back with just one flash sale.

I would seriously throw money your way if you were willing to get into the side business of tuning/installs.

[frozenman]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Thanks.

Found out we have MEDV17.2.8 and can use KTAG tool to flash (Alientech brand?). http://www.tuningfiles.com/tools/ali...flashing-tool/

Can also use CMD OBD/Boot/BDM version with Fxx plugin that comes with adapter. ECU has to be physically accessed with direct connection to MPC with adapter (or some have BDM port where you use BDM cable).

So what to buy? Master/Slave kit? Slave kit if you want to use someone else's remaps, Master tool is open and can flash remaps from all providers (Slave tool has all protocols included). If you go with Master you have to select tricore protocols...

Thought I'd do a little digging as the tuners never really go into detail about what they do or how they do it.

You are basically correct with what you have said here. Different DMEs use different chipsets which is why you would need the different tool sets to read them.

The picture you posted, Lol

[frozenman]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Not entirely fact.

BR was able to unlock the ECU by figuring out the way to extract the ECU key. It's a service mode doorway which requires an oscillator at a certain frequency which unlocked the key. After that it is basically Infineon Tri-core boot mode read/write. After that folks use OLS to change the load targets. That's why any guy with a Facebook account and halfway computer literate can create a tune. Now not all tuners are the same and some actually explore further and actually try to understand how the car works. You need to align with one of those as you can seriously screw something up by randomly changing things. Similarly there is one guy who broke the OBD2 encryption so now we can flash via cable ONCE the ECU codes are read.

Right now we are limited by the turbos - tunes only changed the power curve and that can affect your times and not really peak power.

Don't drink all the kool-aid, this isn't rocket science and a 'tooner' will make most his investment back with just one flash sale.

"Tooner".....

[frozenman]

DSS Axels for those interested to see what they look like.

[NightM]

Originally Posted by frozenman

DSS Axels for those interested to see what they look like.

They look fast!!!! Tooner's special hp. Lol. Pay to play

[frozenman]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

They look fast!!!! Tooner's special hp. Lol. Pay to play

Lol

[EndBosS]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Is it true BR initially cracked the code and essentially gifted a windfall to BMW tuners?

yes we did

[TheHouseWon]

Originally Posted by EndBosS

yes we did

Congrats and thank you for your contribution to the community.

So once I have KTag, what else do I need? Can you sell me a file for a base tune that I can then tweak and call it my own?

[EndBosS]

If you bought a master tool yes, You can adapt your file

[NightM]

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[m5james]

All this bickering could be time better spent coming up with tunes that'll adjust boost without the use of a JB4/BCM since they can't be used on the S63 E70 X5M ;-)

[frozenman]

Originally Posted by m5james

All this bickering could be time better spent coming up with tunes that'll adjust boost without the use of a JB4/BCM since they can't be used on the S63 X5M ;-)

We have an F85 X5M with ONLY an ACM Stage 3 Tune and DPS running 11.3s at 123mph 1/4mile. Dyno on a mustang.

[onfireX5]

That is killer impressive for 5500 lbs. Can you post some logged data ? How many passes ? I've been curious how much hp the transfer case and trans could handle....looks like a lot.

[frozenman]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

That is killer impressive for 5500 lbs. Can you post some logged data ? How many passes ? I've been curious how much hp the transfer case and trans could handle....looks like a lot.

Thank you. We did 4-5 runs. 11.3-11.4 on all the runs. It ran pretty consistent but different launching styles yielding different numbers, i.e. Auto vs Manual. The trans is only good for 700whp. The drive shaft is only good for 700whp as well. We saw the transmission starting to slip between gear changes as we approached 670awhp when we did a Pure Turbo Stage 1 upgraded X5M. The transmission can be built to 900whp as its the same trans used in the hellcats. The drive shaft can be built by DSS as well.

[onfireX5]

Killer info. Thanks.

[m5james]

Originally Posted by frozenman

We have an F85 X5M with ONLY an ACM Stage 3 Tune and DPS running 11.3s at 123mph 1/4mile. Dyno on a mustang.

That's an S63TU, not the S63 in the first gen X5M. Awesome numbers though, I'm jealous...fastest S63 I can recall is an 11.9 from PP Performance.