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      10-10-2012, 09:56 AM   #67
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Electric is faster than combustion. However, the 300 mile range has to be drastically reduced when drag racing.
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fully electric cars will never do well in the economy to the vast majority of ppl.
I will take the other side of this bet!
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      10-10-2012, 10:19 AM   #69
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      10-10-2012, 10:50 AM   #70
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Skewed of course.
Why stop at 100mph?
Model S goes to 125mph.
Turbos do better once moving.
Why if we are talking about technology was the BMW launch control not used?
3 races same drivers.
How about 6 races drivers swap?
Was the BMW auto DCT or manual? Why not use the faster DCT?
The start looked off. No light or gun. It's like they decided the revving of the m5 3 times was the signal.....no rev from the model S .... *Cricket*cricket*cricket*

Would like to see better test setups for the sake of proving a car is better than another. It will stop all the " I missed a gear" ..." tires spun" ..." etc etc. Take the best of all runs and compare. Also, It's the foundation of myth busters to create a test that cannot be disputed.
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      10-10-2012, 11:00 AM   #71
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Electric is faster than combustion. However, the 300 mile range has to be drastically reduced when drag racing.
Petrol cars suffer greatly reduced range when driven a track pace as well.

What kind of MPG do you get around a track? A turbocharged engine can really suck down fuel when driven hard. Every time you stomp the gas in a turbo car, the mixture is pushed rich to keep things from going south (detonation, pre-ignition, etc) in the combustion chamber. I wouldn't be surprised if one would average 4 to 6 MPG around a track in the M5. That would put the range of the M5 just over 110 miles at 6 MPG, and that's if you run in to dead empty. Run to 'reserve', you're looking at just under 95 miles.

The big difference between electric and petrol is that refueling takes minutes. Recharging takes hours (or hour, if you're Tesla supercharging).
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      10-10-2012, 11:09 AM   #72
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What amuses me is that there are so many excuses for the M5 - bad driving, not using launch control, test should have gone past 100 MPH, etc. Is it that hard to get the M5 to launch and get to 100 MPH, and if so, why? It certainly looks like the average driver would do better in the Tesla than the M5 in most conditions.

This is not to say that the Tesla is an all-around better car. I'd imagine that the M5 would do better in many situations, including racing around a track, cruising at high speed on the Autobahn, and so on. But in most "real-world" situations, would all of the might of the M5 make any difference? As for the prestige factor, which is important to people even if they don't want to admit it, this is something of a toss-up depending on where you live, who your peers are, etc.

For the record, I am a big fan of BMW, and love the M cars. However, for a daily driver, which is what I (and the vast majority of drivers) really need, I think BMW and others need to wake up and recognize that Tesla is on to something. My hope is that BMW will remain committed to the i cars, and that they'll have some 3 and 5 series sized cars (sedans and coupes, not just goofy econobox-looking cars) to compete in this space.
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      10-10-2012, 11:16 AM   #73
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MT says that after 13 miles of spirited testing, there were only 40 miles of range left in the "300 mile" battery. That doesn't bode well for the way many of us drive around town

That said, I think Tesla has done something amazing here. They've resurrected excitement about electric cars.
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      10-10-2012, 11:21 AM   #74
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seemed like it was set up to be a Tesla commercial. why not compare to the UDM...an M5...the guy's Tesla plug at the end of the race was pre rehearsed. I think they had to run the cars a few times until they could make it appear like the the M5 "really" lost fair and square...now that's good driving!
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      10-10-2012, 03:01 PM   #76
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the driver of the m5 didnt know how to drive.
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      10-10-2012, 03:45 PM   #77
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Tesla only meets specs with a fresh charge. The more you drive, the slower it gets. Remember, the electricity has to come from somewhere, so electric cars are only as carbon free as the grid they charge off of.
At the end of the day the grid still gives you better emission/mile. More efficient conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy from burning of the coal to the car's drive-train putting down power. Just look at how much energy is wasted in the combustion engine, like 60% of fuel's energy is lost.

What's impressive is in few short years a company out of nowhere can produce a decent quality vehicle that can hang in a straight line with a M5. Does it beat m5 in every category, No. Does Tesla still have lots of head wind, Yes. Look at number of employees at Tesla, amount of resource it has and it can do this, impressive.

This is how disruptive innovation begins, not by beating product offering by industry giants at first shot but by first gaining a foothold. By the time industry giants notice disruptor's presence it's too late. Bet you BMW Execs don't even consider Tesla a threat
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      10-10-2012, 04:10 PM   #78
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Put this bullshit Tesla up against my ///Monster X6 so I can give it anal with no lube!
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      10-10-2012, 05:46 PM   #79
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At the end of the day the grid still gives you better emission/mile. More efficient conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy from burning of the coal to the car's drive-train putting down power.

This is how disruptive innovation begins, not by beating product offering by industry giants at first shot but by first gaining a foothold. By the time industry giants notice disruptor's presence it's too late.
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      10-10-2012, 06:38 PM   #80
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At the end of the day the grid still gives you better emission/mile. More efficient conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy from burning of the coal to the car's drive-train putting down power. Just look at how much energy is wasted in the combustion engine, like 60% of fuel's energy is lost.

What's impressive is in few short years a company out of nowhere can produce a decent quality vehicle that can hang in a straight line with a M5. Does it beat m5 in every category, No. Does Tesla still have lots of head wind, Yes. Look at number of employees at Tesla, amount of resource it has and it can do this, impressive.

This is how disruptive innovation begins, not by beating product offering by industry giants at first shot but by first gaining a foothold. By the time industry giants notice disruptor's presence it's too late. Bet you BMW Execs don't even consider Tesla a threat
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I dont look at this as a drag race, but more as to how electric cars became something enjoyable now.
Despite the outcome on this video (i do agree, it was a bit skewed) you can see how electric power is producing dreat results and is much easier to use.
Not many family sedans in this world could race new M5 from stop light to stop light these days, Not to mention a car with 0 tailpipe emission
And do 1/4mile in 12.5 with less than 4s 0-60
Tesla, IMO, has done a great job with this car

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
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and to add to the discussion: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...ance-vs-BMW-M5

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0-100 MPH races.

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Some stats:

Tesla Model S - 443 lb-ft torque @ 0-5100rpm, RWD, 0-60mph 4.4s (factory quoted), 4,647 lbs
F10 M5 - 502 lb-ft torque @ 1500-6560rpm, RWD, 0-62mph 4.4s (factory quoted), 4,288 lbs


im actually considering a tesla s and want to go to garden state mall to see it in person. fully loaded 99000 dollars
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      10-11-2012, 12:46 AM   #83
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The M5 is not a Drag-car, get both of them around a nice balanced Track I think everyone around here will know whats gonna happen to the Tesla.
The world (at least over here in chilly Austria) does not consist out of straight lines. Judging a cars performance over a straight piece of concrete is just bollocks.

The main issue with electric cars is that the huge amount of electric power has to be produced too.
I can already see more and more nuclear power plants being built to feed the electric hunger of fully electric cars.

And guess what? IŽd rather have an CO2 emission caused climate warming than a nuclear winter
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The M5 sounded like a 6MT so there's the reason they didn't use launch control.
DCT would've turned the outcome towards M5's favour!
I've heard the same thing from various sources that it was stick shift m5 which would make more sense. Still trying to verify 100%

A DCT M5 with launch control will beat tesla s all day long...no questions asked... This is Tesla propaganda...spin spin baby
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I've heard the same thing from various sources that it was stick shift m5 which would make more sense. Still trying to verify 100%

A DCT M5 with launch control will beat tesla s all day long...no questions asked... This is Tesla propaganda...spin spin baby
So you're saying 6MT M5 is lesser M5 and should never be compared to any car because it's slower than DCT version?

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The M5 is not a Drag-car, get both of them around a nice balanced Track I think everyone around here will know whats gonna happen to the Tesla.
The world (at least over here in chilly Austria) does not consist out of straight lines. Judging a cars performance over a straight piece of concrete is just bollocks.

The main issue with electric cars is that the huge amount of electric power has to be produced too.
I can already see more and more nuclear power plants being built to feed the electric hunger of fully electric cars.

And guess what? IŽd rather have an CO2 emission caused climate warming than a nuclear winter
What makes you think that Tesla will not do any good on the track?
I can bet it would be very close to M5, especially on shorter tracks
RE: power plants
Did you know they burn natural gas when demand is higher?
It is actually becomes cleaner than coal
What about solar and other renewable sources?
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The video conveniently leaves out any facts. And if you want to compare apples to apples yes it would be DCT using launch control!! Period! unless like that video you want to skew facts. Yes the manual m5 is slower and leaves a large margin of error on the driver. That is a fact!

And trust me the M5 would butcher the telsa on the track short long whatever.
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The video conveniently leaves out any facts. And if you want to compare apples to apples yes it would be DCT using launch control!! Period! unless like that video you want to skew facts. Yes the manual m5 is slower and leaves a large margin of error on the driver. That is a fact!

And trust me the M5 would butcher the telsa on the track short long whatever.
You keep insisting DCT
It will never be apples to apples comparison
Tesla does not have either launch control or tranny, nor the ICE.
It goes from 0 to speed limit with 1 gear.
And again, track times will tell how it stands out performance/handling –wise against sport sedans
We could only guess
But to say M5 is a butcher is almost like saying Tesla = Prius on the track
Tesla, besides good power, has decent suspension and brakes
Its center of gravity is the lowest of any sedan on the market
So while it may not win the race on the track, it would definitely give M5 run for the money
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definetly m5 driver failed , nothing else ..
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