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      01-22-2015, 06:11 PM   #45
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///M5 with AWD = 0-60 time => - 0.5 sec. !
Yes, we will be able to get the power down!
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      01-22-2015, 06:31 PM   #46
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Yes, we will be able to get the power down!
Exactly !
AWD will be necessary knowing that the 2016 ///M5 comes with 600HP .
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I like the idea and frankly would probably get it if available. I do hope it's optional and as someone posted elsewhere it would be nice if it is either programable on/off via M settings or iDrive or there is an on/off button in the cabin. I think this move is a perceived market shift for BMW. They will likely lose some "purists", but gain buyers who passed on the car previously because it didn't have AWD. The middle chunk of M5 owners will likely get another with or without AWD. I think they're betting they'll gain more new buyers than lose old ones. I just hope this is not just an xDrive insert though, can't imagine it would be. If it's done well, I think it will still be a great sports sedan. Albeit, with different driving characteristics.
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Amazing. Can't wait for this to happen.
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Ok what is wrong with making AWD an option? Why do so many of you have to be to stubborn to change? If you don't want AWD then spec out the car without it. Geez :
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Ok what is wrong with making AWD an option? Why do so many of you have to be to stubborn to change? If you don't want AWD then spec out the car without it. Geez :
I would be a customer IF the xDrive was intelligent enough to ONLY provide support and power when and where you required it, and then lay stealth in the background for that traditional M rear wheel only feel and performance.

Not to knock the US version of the E63 or Audi AWD sedan products - they are great cars. Just boring driver sedans when compared to the M5 IMHO.
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      01-22-2015, 08:05 PM   #52
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I would be a customer IF the xDrive was intelligent enough to ONLY provide support and power when and where you required it, and then lay stealth in the background for that traditional M rear wheel only feel and performance.

Not to knock the US version of the E63 or Audi AWD sedan products - they are great cars. Just boring driver sedans when compared to the M5 IMHO.
The Ferrari and the Jaguar f-Type AWD systems work on this basis and most of the time send 100% of torque to the rear wheels.

Audi cannot send all torque to rear, and Mercedes has a fixed 70/30 rear/front bias.

I would imagine that BMW will build the same flexibility that the Ferrari and Jaguar systems have - i.e. 100% torque to rear wheels unless it starts losing stability or traction.

Here's a description of Jaguar's system. What I like - 100% torque sent to rear wheels most of the time; no parasitic losses while 100% torque being sent to rear wheels. Also the electronic center coupling engaging and disengaging sounds very similar to the Ferrari system which disengages the front wheel driveshaft when not needed.

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INSTINCTIVE ALL WHEEL DRIVE® with Intelligent Driveline Dynamics

The AWD system is offered as an option with the 380HP V6 F-TYPE S Coupe and Convertible and is standard on the 550hp R Coupe and Convertible, all equipped with the eight-speed QuickShift automatic transmission.

The underlying development philosophy for AWD was to maintain the inherent agility and precision of the rear-wheel drive character of the F-TYPE while delivering the traction and handling benefits that Instinctive All Wheel Drive offers. From behind the wheel, drivers will quickly notice the extra abilities that AWD adds to performance, handling and road holding1.

Operating on the torque-on-demand principle, the AWD system sends 100 percent of the engine’s torque to the rear wheels under normal driving conditions. This maintains the rear-wheel drive handling characteristics of the F-TYPE and also reduces parasitic losses in the drivetrain. If the system determines that the rear wheels are approaching the limit of available grip, the electronically-controlled center coupling transfers up to 50 percent of the engine’s torque to the front axle.

The system can vary front/rear torque split to mitigate oversteer and understeer when cornering by providing yaw damping. Upon entering a corner, if the car begins to oversteer, torque can be transferred to the front axle, generating a stabilizing moment. The process is virtually transparent to the driver. As a result, entry speeds can be higher, and the driver can apply more power sooner in preparation for corner exit.

The AWD system features Intelligent Driveline Dynamics (IDD), a control system designed and developed by Jaguar to maximize the benefits of AWD without any compromise to dynamics. IDD is networked to the powertrain, rear differential and center coupling and Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) system to provide optimum torque distribution.

Algorithms within the IDD controller continuously estimate road surface friction. The controller uses measurements from yaw rate, steering wheel angle, wheel speed, and lateral and longitudinal acceleration sensors. It also takes into account the Driving Dynamics mode selected by the driver. The IDD controller and the EAD controller use this data to determine what the vehicle is doing – known as a “state estimate” – and the design of the IDD system enables a common state estimate to be used in both controllers.

This detailed monitoring of the vehicle’s dynamics enables optimized torque distribution across the rear axle, and from front to rear, by applying both pre-emptive and feed-back control of the active driveline technologies. The result is improved agility and steering response, and the extra level of control this brings increases driver confidence.

Another benefit that AWD and IDD bring, compared to rear-wheel drive, is greater differentiation between Normal, Rain/ice/snow and Dynamic modes1. With Rain/ice/snow mode selected, the IDD control software is designed to deliver a more AWD-like character than Normal mode, while Dynamic mode provides the most rear-drive biased character. Since the system is continually updating its estimate of road surface friction, IDD will select the most suitable calibration.
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I'm sorry, not sure what the big fuss is about. I think people want RWD for the sake of having a BMW with RWD. If the M5 is to have an expected 600HP+, it doesn't make sense to me to let 2 wheels handle all that power - not happening. Everybody wants argue that BMW lost this, BMW isn't that. If Porsche is considering discontinuing the GT2 because RWD wouldn't cut it, why would BMW of all companies leave 2 wheels to handle all that power?

For those who want a system where AWD could be turned on/off, that's the problem with BMW and the German brands. Everyone complains about weight but want such a drivetrain system which would probably add more weight to a car. I applaud Cadillac for minimizing options. While the customer may not have a choice in wheels/tire sizes, Cadillac is able to refine and optimize the chassis because there are no options to consider and compensate for.
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The Ferrari and the Jaguar f-Type AWD systems work on this basis and most of the time send 100% of torque to the rear wheels.

Audi cannot send all torque to rear, and Mercedes has a fixed 70/30 rear/front bias.

I would imagine that BMW will build the same flexibility that the Ferrari and Jaguar systems have - i.e. 100% torque to rear wheels unless it starts losing stability or traction.
I sure hope so! I'm loving the current M5 - even in the local Seattle rain-slicked roads, RWD just makes driving that much more interesting.

From a dig, some intelligent AWD would be a nice performance option.
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For M4 too please! 3 sec 0-100 in our grasp!
Yeah bc thats what an M4 is about...
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It is not like the ///M engineers are just going to pluck the xdrive out of the 550 and slap it in the M5 and call it a day. I am pretty sure they will work their magic and make it pretty damn good system. It may piss a few die hard RWD BMW fans but if it sells more, they could give a rats ass. They want sales and growth period.
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Anyone that comments here on this post better have driven a recent m5. If you haven't then you do not know how little grip and what a beast the m5 is. A rear focused awd m5 would be the smartest change m division could come up with. Everyone that's commenting on how it will ruin m cars and how that's not what m is about is clearly a ignorant little b**** that has never driving a high hp and high tq BMW like a m5. I hate how people who never driven most of these cars are still allowed to comment on these threads.
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