We spy BMW M5 testing AWD xDrive!

[Tag]

Originally Posted by BlackCobra08

You may be right on the Porsche turbo, lambo, and Ferrari which are all exotics and in a different class, but saying no one complains about Subaru and the GT-R is far from the truth. I'm coming from the Subaru would and got rid of them because there is some nasty understeer (terrible interiors too) and if you want decent performance you have to get a good chunk of mods. The GT-R is fast 0-60...but that's about it, thing is so overrated and heavy which clunky noises and little refinement. The Motor Trend crew was really not liking the Nismo version much. The fact is AWD systems add weight in all the wrong places and unless you have a very good RWD biased system you get gobs of understeer.

Wow, I don't even know how to comment to this but it has provided great insight to your thinking.

[SCOTT26]

Its not intended for this generation. But its something that was considered and actually developed for testing in very early development. Remember I said all ideas considered feasible are developed and tested in regards to reaching conclusion. Here is a list of stages of prototypes that were developed in mind for F10M.

If you remember the 25th Anniversary M5?
That was the lead-in drive train but they also tested various technologies which sadly did not make this generation but can not ruled out for the G80.

Rolf said: ↑

This Drivetrain was considered and tested within the F10 Chassis.
The last mention was to show you the possibilities considered.

The last one shows possibilities which was under serious consideration but rejected at the end.

F-Codes.

F-Code MotortypFahrzeugbeschreibungEntwicklungsstufe Zeitraum

F10 M - M5 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle/xDrive auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle /Kinetic Energy Recovery System auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Achtzylinder Sportmodelle /Kinetic Energy Recovery System auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Achtzylinder Sportmodelle /xDrive/Kinetic Energy Recovery System auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Achtzylinder Sportmodelle auf 5er-Basis Serie

F01 M - M7 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle auf 7er -Basis Serie

[halfbent]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

///M boss dropping hints of AWD M5 last week. Spotted testing this week.

HAHA

[BKsBimmer]

The so called "purists" are stuck in the past. The state of the art of automotive performance is advancing rapidly and passing them by. BMW competitors are not sitting still either. BMW can't let a naturally declining customer demographic hold them back from pursuing technological advancements necessary to compete and reach their highest performance potential. AWD M cars from BMW are inevitable, if not overdue. It's going to happen and if past is prologue when they arrive, no doubt they will be AWESOME.

[ybbiz34]

About time to have the option. The E63 S 4MATIC has been a slam dunk. I would consider an M5 with AWD. The M3 should stay RWD though.

[turbotoy4me]

I am looking forward to this and hope they extend as an option to the M3/M4 for the colder climate areas this will be a big win. Hopefully leaving the rear drive as standard and this as an option.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Its not intended for this generation. But its something that was considered and actually developed for testing in very early development. Remember I said all ideas considered feasible are developed and tested in regards to reaching conclusion. Here is a list of stages of prototypes that were developed in mind for F10M.

If you remember the 25th Anniversary M5?
That was the lead-in drive train but they also tested various technologies which sadly did not make this generation but can not ruled out for the G80.

Rolf said: ↑

This Drivetrain was considered and tested within the F10 Chassis.
The last mention was to show you the possibilities considered.

The last one shows possibilities which was under serious consideration but rejected at the end.

F-Codes.

F-Code MotortypFahrzeugbeschreibungEntwicklungsstufe Zeitraum

F10 M - M5 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle/xDrive auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle /Kinetic Energy Recovery System auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Achtzylinder Sportmodelle /Kinetic Energy Recovery System auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Achtzylinder Sportmodelle /xDrive/Kinetic Energy Recovery System auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Achtzylinder Sportmodelle auf 5er-Basis Serie

F01 M - M7 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle auf 7er -Basis Serie

Wow! So they did test KERS on the M5! I remember all the speculation way back when. I wonder if KERS will ever be introduced into a Street Car.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Wow! So they did test KERS on the M5! I remember all the speculation way back when. I wonder if KERS will ever be introduced into a Street Car.

There are quite a few cars on the roads allready with KERS...

On the top end you have the 918, P1 and LaFerrari

On the more regular end you have BMW active hybrid models and any other hybrid, or purely electric, car out there that is able to regenerate electricity during driving (which usually takes place under deceleration or rolling downhill).

KERS can come in different technical variations. Even in F1 the teams had different solutions to recover the kinetic energy from the car and the engine. Todays systems are so advanced that the computers decide whether to apply the rear brakes or to decelerate just by means of full regeneration of electricity (by varying the load on the generator). So today the driver doesn't even decide if he's using the rear brakes or just the generator unit to slow the car down. He obviously has full and uninterrupted control over the front brakes though

But, take a ride in a i3 and notice how you can control the car simply by means of the gas pedal alone! If you let go of it it's allmost like you get slammed into the steering wheel... That car really use KERS to regenerate the batteries. A Nissan Leaf or eGolf does not do this to the same degree, but still use the kinetic energy to regenerate the batteries. And so do any hybrid car

[vladberca]

So the G80 might have a V10, optional x-drive and KERS!

[turbo8765]

Wonder if the zip ties will make it into production...

[brainblade]

Sales would be better if BMW changed features during the series production run. While some true drivers liked SMG it hurt e60 sales;Bmw had DCT capabilities by 2009 and should have been used in the 2010 e60 m5 and m6. Had they added dct, sales would have been stronger. They also could have increased displacement to 5.5 liters but did not. Mercedes on the other hand adapts more quickly and they're AMG cars hit the market faster. Perfect example is adding awd to e63 last year. BMW should add awd now; don't tell me they don't have the technology given all the development in the x5 and x6 not to mention the m550d. This is my 4th m car and i am tired of the sluggishness and contemplation around changes. Rollout takes too long and its part of the reason sales are weak.The one thing they don't contemplate is adding weight model after model. RWD is an anachronism at this point; too much torque and power to be used relative to the market(e63 and panamera) for a 4 door sedan driven globally.

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

F-Codes.

F-Code MotortypFahrzeugbeschreibungEntwicklungsstufe Zeitraum

F10 M - M5 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle/xDrive auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle /Kinetic Energy Recovery System auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Achtzylinder Sportmodelle /Kinetic Energy Recovery System auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Achtzylinder Sportmodelle /xDrive/Kinetic Energy Recovery System auf 5er-Basis Serie
F10 M - M5 Achtzylinder Sportmodelle auf 5er-Basis Serie

F01 M - M7 Zehnzylinder Sportmodelle auf 7er -Basis Serie

Originally Posted by brainblade

Sales would be better if BMW changed features during the series production run.

They used to do that(E36 M3, E34 M5), but not anymore. Pretty sure it's more profitable for them not to do that.

Originally Posted by brainblade

While some true drivers liked SMG it hurt e60 sales;Bmw had DCT capabilities by 2009 and should have been used in the 2010 e60 m5 and m6. Had they added dct, sales would have been stronger. They also could have increased displacement to 5.5 liters but did not. Mercedes on the other hand adapts more quickly and they're AMG cars hit the market faster.

2010 was the last year for the E60 M5. Why develop a new transmission for just that one year?

E60 M5 was in production for 5 years. W211 E55/E63 was in production for 7 years. Worldwide, BMW sold 19,564 sedans, Mercedes - 17,955. W211 did outsell E60 M5 in the US, but if you breakdown by model year, BMW sold more.

Originally Posted by brainblade

Perfect example is adding awd to e63 last year. BMW should add awd now; don't tell me they don't have the technology given all the development in the x5 and x6 not to mention the m550d.

It's not about technology it's about bottom line.

[karussell]

darn saw the picture on side screen and for split second I thought it was an M5 touring! how about instead of AWD just give us a wagon!!!

[Russkey]

Great news. I will only get M4/M5/M6 when AWD is available as an option. Don't want to move somewhere else. I love Colorado

[DCG]

Originally Posted by Russkey

Great news. I will only get M4/M5/M6 when AWD is available as an option. Don't want to move somewhere else. I love Colorado

+1 Awesome! I have been requesting this for a while now, about time. I only will be getting the M4 and possibly an M3 for the misses when "rear-biased" AWD xDrive becomes available, also awaiting the X4M.

Blizzard watch here on Long Island for the next coming days. Not moving either, I Love New York!

[SlammedR8]

GREAT news!

I've wanted an M5 as my daily driver for years but I couldn't justify having an AWD toy/weekend sportscar (my R8) and have a RWD daily driver/winter beater.

The G80 M5 will likely be my next DD if there is the AWD option.

BMW needed to do this.

[Blackraven]

Wow they actually had a 10 cylinder prototype for the F10 M5.....and with xDrive AWD. Wow that's something.

Anyways, if ever BMW is planning an M7 for the G11/G12 platform, then I hoping for 12 CYLINDERS AND XDRIVE AWD =)

BEAST!!!

[KG3356MT]

Originally Posted by DCG

+1 for M AWD's. New York represent!

+2 for AWD M. I am also from New York

[bronch]

Originally Posted by brainblade

Sales would be better if BMW changed features during the series production run...

I understand what you you're saying, but it's a philosophical difference I think. The next Gen BMWs recently have presented a comprehensive upgrade or change from the former Gen. As opposed to MB who will filter the changes along a model series. I'd be upset if I bought a 2015 M5 and wanted AWD, but couldn't get it then they came out with the option 6 mos later on the same model. I'd rather BMW make the effort, like they do in the e-car lines now as they used to do in their M cars. Meaning, be a leader in that sector. I just think the writing is on the wall and the days of big engine, big exhaust M cars are history and this version M is the beginning of a paradigm shift as far as what an M car is.

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by bronch

I understand what you you're saying, but it's a philosophical difference I think. The next Gen BMWs recently have presented a comprehensive upgrade or change from the former Gen. As opposed to MB who will filter the changes along a model series. I'd be upset if I bought a 2015 M5 and wanted AWD, but couldn't get it then they came out with the option 6 mos later on the same model. I'd rather BMW make the effort, like they do in the e-car lines now as they used to do in their M cars. Meaning, be a leader in that sector. I just think the writing is on the wall and the days of big engine, big exhaust M cars are history and this version M is the beginning of a paradigm shift as far as what an M car is.

Interesting point.....and your post reminds me of the updates that Jaguar is introducing to the F Type.

Here's what Jaguar will do for the F Type R Coupe (5.0 V8 S/C)
-AWD only (USA and Canada)
-Choice of RWD or AWD (United Kingdom and rest of European Union)

http://blog.caranddriver.com/there-w...utside-of-u-s/

[DCG]

Originally Posted by SlammedR8

GREAT news!

I've wanted an M5 as my daily driver for years but I couldn't justify having an AWD toy/weekend sportscar (my R8) and have a RWD daily driver/winter beater.

The G80 M5 will likely be my next DD if there is the AWD option.

BMW needed to do this.

Our 2013 BMW 328xi M Sport was stellar in the Juno Blizzard we just had here on the East End of Long Island, NY. The 328xi M Sport with cold Bridgestone Sport Tires got us where we needed to go safely inclines and descents and all. The only downside with the xi xDrive with M Sport is their is no sport suspension which we are accustom to and prefer, but it is well worth it to get to work, home and grocery store safely in inclement crappy weather.

I am highly anticipating an X4M and most importantly the M4 with "rear-bias" AWD xDrive!