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04-20-2012, 03:39 PM | #23 |
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M5 looks on paper to be amazing....however, I still wish they would have made the car look more "aggresive" and distinct from the 550. To me, the styling simply does not scream out "performance sedan" like a) the Panny does and b) def like the CLS63 does (which, tho not mentioned here, is one bad arse of a car styling wise)
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I'd be interested in seeing a hwy pull 100mph+ M5 vs Pana TS. |
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In this case, the Porsche is down on both rated and measured hp, has the highest weight, yet still out accelerates both lighter and more powerful cars the whole way. |
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04-20-2012, 04:34 PM | #28 |
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Looks like braking is the "weakest link" I guess the upcoming available ceramic brakes will (hopefully) cure that!
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Porsche was faster from 0-100 and 0-200 due to AWD. Also it had a clear advantage on the short track. I'm sure that 0-300 would not have the Porsche on the first place.
At "flexibility" M5 has very good numbers. ![]() As a negative point for the Merc is its fuel tank with only 66L. ![]() I read a lot of comments related to CLS 63... It has no chance against the M6 GC ![]() |
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Looks like the price of the Panamera is the reason it lost this comparison.
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04-20-2012, 06:52 PM | #32 |
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Yup! You guys can say that. It's just a difference of 10 HP. 620 dyno (M5) VS 610 dyno (E63).
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These "dyno" numbers don't add up. IMO, even with the 4WD advantage, this much of a power to weight handicap would not allow the Panamera to be faster to 200km/h
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If you look at the 0-100km/h times, the Porsche has a 0.6 second advantage over the M5..
Then at 200 km/hr, it has the same advantage, 0.6 seconds. So basically the AWD gives the Porsche the lead to 100 km/hr and then it is dead even with the M5 from 100 to 200 km/hr. How can that be if it weighs more and dynos less? The answer is that dynoing at the rear wheels and extrapolating to crank HP is completely bogus. That's obvious from this test. If the Porsche did make significantly less power and weigh more, it should be slower from 100-200 km/hr. And it isn't. QED. Pat |
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Any info on the brakes used in the testing? I'd bet the Pani had the Ceramics, while the M5 did not (even though it is an option). I'd venture to guess the M5 being lighter would have fared much better especially on the high speed stops.
To me, the M5 is the winner, especially since it is the only car offered...in a 6-spd manual. Show me the dotted line, sold on this one with no reservations.
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I'm quite surprised that sport auto now puts cars on a dyno. They have argued at length very recently (i.e. last year) that for a number of reasons (e.g. different dynos, conditions such as air pressure, temperature etc.) they would not do it, although it had been insinuated in quite a few tests that car manufacturer provided "prepared" press cars with a serious bump in power compared to the normal cars sold to the public (besides a frequently modified suspension geometry but which is now also measured by sport auto). All the easier nowadays with the inflation of turbo charged cars.
This comparison however proves that they should put the cars on a dyno - 50hp at the crank more than advertised is quite a lot, even at that power level. It may contribute to keeping car manufacturers more honest. As far as the acceleration comparison is concerned, I'm quite surprised that no one thought of bringing up things like gear ratio, aerodynamics or different wheel sizes which all have a measurable impact on acceleration. Focusing on weight/power ratio only is a bit narrow-minded. Alpina_B3_Lux
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