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The choice to make this car non-manual was the stupid cherry on top of the stupid cake.
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I do think that there would be a higher manual take rate than 9% in North America for this car at least as it seems that when pricing gets over $60k USD is when the manual transmission take rate starts dwindling. M2 is almost 50% I believe and it's why VW still offers a 6 speed manual in North American Golf R's.
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They sold 6k Supra's last year in the U.S. at 10% isn't a lot and they also know that some part of the 10% that want a manual will also take an automatic. Then most aren't willing to special order, plants don't like to special build and you would never find one at a dealer. Also, with the reusing an exiting manual, this comes with issues like fitting it to the car, 3 pedals, changes to the interior, electronics, testing, and I think government regulations. This rare car would have to come with a much bigger price tag to pay for the changes, then more complaining. If they thought there was good profit in a manual they would have done it. Manuals are popular on forums, not so much with new car buyers.
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THis obsession with a clutch. The modern auto that gives you total control (other than red lining) to change gears yourself is really good enough surely, you can always be in the gear you want, isn't that the point?
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Oh interesting, I didn't know that - I was looking at the M40i. I'm still not sold on the Supra personally, I am starting to understand why some people were disappointed that it wasn't a ground up project.
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Another issue is that even if they offered the manual, let's not pretend it's at all good. BMW's 6MT shifter and feel overall is as average as it gets, whereas the ATs are the best on the market. |
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When I went to the Toyota dealership last Saturday to deal with the oil consumption issue I was told they had a manual Supra protoype in the back (I tried to sneak a peek but was stopped.)
This to say that I would be shocked if the 2022 Supra doesnt offer a manual as an option. I remember US take rate being 50% for the US and I assume higher for the M2. I 1000% agree with your statement though, as a previous F82 6MT owner I wouldn't go back to the manual and rather have the 8zf
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At least on my E92, I can deal (or have they changed it over the last 12 years?) but the clutch feel... well, there isn't any. I'm guessing that hasn't been fixed either.
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Not even close. Can't even see it from there. If you don't understand the desire for a clutch - then you never will. I have not NOT had a manual in my stable for over 20 years and god willing - I hope I never will be without one. Something about your ass being the only anchor point while EVERY limb you have is working in concert to control this beast you have unleashed on the road and holding it to it's absolute edge. I'd take a slow manual over a faster auto any day. It's not about speed, it's about the feel. It's not for everyone, but for those that feel it - there is no alternative.
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2. It's not about profit. Where are you getting profit? The car should have been offered in both a manual, and auto/DCT, as all sporty-natured cars should. Besides, again, you're making up numbers, as you have no idea what the real cost in time/effort/net net it would be to the manufacturer. And again I'll tell you regardless, it would have been worth it. Toyota BOMBED the new Supra every possible way they could, period. No, that's not the point. Here, do this, take an auto to The Dragon, then a 6MT. You'll soon know the point exactly. |
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If this is your argument, then you don't get the point of driving a manual.
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You should send a note to everyone running finance at Toyota. I think you could be on to something they may have missed.
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I put the 10% take rate but guessing it is high, what percentage do you think required a manual or went somewhere else? No idea what you are talking about with the "it's not about profit" as for BMW and Toyota everything is looked at with this idea behind it. It's the reason they went into partnership, reason they don't have a manual, reason they reused parts off other cars and the list goes on. The only point you seam to have is that you really wanted them to make a manual which is ok. I have a manual and also like it but also realize people aren't buying them like they used to and that's why car companies aren't offering them.
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I'd imagine it to be an agreement between BMW and Toyota that a manual will not be offered. These companies spend millions on R&D, they make decisions based on facts, not emotional factors Also, you can partly also blame enthusiastic car buyers for this, Toyota dealers are not Porsche dealers and are not built to cater to the enthusiast buyers, a Toyota dealer shift off the shelf Corolla/Camry/Sienna/Highlander/Rav4 like hot cakes, no Toyota dealer sale will want to waste the time to put in the custom order for some enthusiast who has the worst demands, would complain if the car had a minor swirl mark from the teenager detailer who washed the car, when he could have sold and earned more from selling other cars in that same time frame.
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No, not that exactly. See my point above. You guys are looking at the Supra the wrong way IMO (that "O" stands for opinion), especially given how solvent Toyota is as a company. A lot of companies are making dreamy cars these days, and Toyota should have been one of them. |
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