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      03-31-2021, 03:09 AM   #221
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Guy. You're beating a dead horse. If Max had been doing the same thing the entire race as well, and red bull hadn't said something on the radio, neither of them would've been warned. Then, Max STILL would've had to give the place back for passing off track.

If you want to whine about Hamilton being more clever than Max and going faster until told not to, then just say it's not fair that Hamilton was more clever. Case closed.
Mbelgium will continue flogging this particular dead horse for weeks/months to come.
To recap (again).
There was no pre-race directive excluding exceeding track limits at turn 4.
Horner told Verstappen to exceed track limits at turn 4 the same as Hamilton.
During the race, Race control told the Mercedes team that if Hamilton continued exceeding turn 4 track limits he would get a penalty so he stopped.
Verstappen continued to exceed track limits.
Of course all irrelevant to the issue of overtaking while off track.
Imagine the crying and bunching of panties if the roles were reversed and Hamilton had passed Verstappen off track and was not told to give the place back!

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[LH pole lap]
especially at 1:27 pushing the barriers away..
Just watched it again...its a mesmerising lap...right on the edge with barriers just inches away.
The sort of lap F1 drivers dream of driving.
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Mbelgium will continue flogging this particular dead horse for weeks/months to come.
To recap (again).
There was no pre-race directive excluding exceeding track limits at turn 4.
Horner told Verstappen to exceed track limits at turn 4 the same as Hamilton.
During the race, Race control told the Mercedes team that if Hamilton continued exceeding turn 4 track limits he would get a penalty so he stopped.
Verstappen continued to exceed track limits.
Of course all irrelevant to the issue of overtaking while off track.
Imagine the crying and bunching of panties if the roles were reversed and Hamilton had passed Verstappen off track!
They were free to exceed track limits except when suddenly announced overtaking at T4 not to exceed limits when overtaking in progress? What's the difference except selective directive that came into play there while hammy was still leading.
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They were free to exceed track limits except when suddenly announced overtaking at T4 not to exceed limits when overtaking in progress? What's the difference except selective directive that came into play there while hammy was still leading.
The rule has always been so.
Hamilton lost a race at Spa for overtaking off track...even though he gave the place back...because it was decreed that he had gained a lasting advantage.
Same Verstappen at Austin when he overtook Kimi...he got a time penalty.
I do agreed that Race Control made a bit of a dogs dinner of turn 4 track limits during the race. But after Horners radio call to Verstappen about it, Hamilton was told by Race Control to stop doing it and he did.
What more was he supposed to do?
Track limits and overtaking off track are separate issues.
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So my friend we have learnt that it's not experience that hammy used to win that race just a helping hand from Masi at the right moment..that dispels the theory that hammy won on strategy and driving skill.
Now we wait for ones to alight from the hammy belief chapel
"Mercedes very busy regarding a new floor" !

Toto Wolff ordered to build a new floor for the Mercedes W12 ASAP !
The new floor has to be ready for the Emilia-Romagna Imola GP !
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The rule has always been so.
Hamilton lost a race at Spa for overtaking off track...even though he gave the place back...because it was decreed that he had gained a lasting advantage.
Same Verstappen at Austin when he overtook Kimi...he got a time penalty.
I do agreed that Race Control made a bit of a dogs dinner of turn 4 track limits during the race. But after Horners radio call to Verstappen about it, Hamilton was told by Race Control to stop doing it and he did.
What more was he supposed to do?
Track limits and overtaking off track are separate issues.
What are you trying to bring clarity and make sense of intentional ignorance?
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When I was watching the race, I even wanted Max to pass Hamilton to go on and win. You cant be so blinded by love/fandom/patriotism/whatever, to not see the BS and think for yourself. It was a good race, but Max didnt win and the world isnt against him. I want to root for Max (and others), but sometimes his fans make it tough...
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• "Mercedes very busy regarding a new floor" !

Toto Wolff ordered to build a new floor for the Mercedes W12 ASAP !
The new floor has to be ready for the Emilia-Romagna Imola GP !
So a modified floor, guesswork to an extent as testing banned to work in conjunction with McLaren diffuser possibly, we discussed the diffuser previously a little.
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Data on Hamilton and Verstappen at Bahrain.
The tyre wear rating in the last stint is interesting.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...B2yI0OnAd.html
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here comes a little more motivation for Ric..

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here comes a little more motivation for Ric..
How can anyone not like this guy?
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