Autobild Ultimate BMW M Model Track Melee - F10 M5 vs M3 vs 1M vs X6M vs E60 M5

[ozinaldo]

Originally Posted by Advevo

I did a driving test with a M5 also. A nice sideways picture

Advevo, tell us, as a pro. race driver how would you evaluate the M5 in general? Do you agree with my previous comment that the 1M could be even closer to M5 if it would be carrying the same tires?

By the way, we miss your videos!

[ZED4Mjjl]

Claudia Hurtgen is a race car driver she drove the M5 only the rest were driven by automotive writers. Her talent has to be worth a couple of tenths at the very least. What do you think?

[Ateam]

Having an M "soul" is something completely different than being the fastest car. M's have never been the fastest cars. A corvette is faster than probably all of these around a track, atleast the z06 for sure. Would you say that has the same feel, tradition and soul as the traditional M cars?

Not saying any car here does not have the "soul" but fastest does not always translate into what is most enjoyable.

And the guy that is questioning buying an m3 over a 1m because of 3/10ths of a second on a random track?? Seriously that is stupid to choose a car on track times in general but REALLY stupid to choose one car over another because of 3/10s of a second. Choose the one you liked and who cares what its time is.

Questforpower doesn't even own an M, bashes the M3 and yet chimes in on every M thread! Talk about a wannabe. Your modded 335 does not deserve the mention in a thread about these fine M's.

The only true surprise is the e60 M5. It is so much faster in a straight line, much much lighter (like 1500 pounds). Really shocked. I would have liked to see an M6 (old gen) thrown in the mix.

[Dan Parker]

BMW, if you are reading this, thank you for making my 1M. It's the best car I've owned.

[SchnellM3]

1M is pretty impressive

Neat comparison between all the models, disappointed that the E60 is the slowest out of them all S85 is still a sexy engine nonetheless

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by Dan Parker

BMW, if you are reading this, thank you for making my 1M. It's the best car I've owned.

I second this! And as some of you know, I've owned a string of M cars over the last 11years!

[Mdawood]

Originally Posted by Mr.Metak2you

I second this! And as some of you know, I've owned a string of M cars over the last 11years!

I third this!!!!!

[SD-E93-11]

50 posts and no one is surprised by the strong showing from the Vert? That might be the most embarrassing one-up for the e60 m5.

[TunedM2C]

Originally Posted by Mdawood

I third this!!!!!

Same here. Thanks BMW M Division.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by southlight

For what it's worth, they also said that the M3 Coupe was the most fun driving around the track.


Best regards,
south

Oh, are they insinuating that perhaps the "experience" of and feel of a car might be more important than the numbers? Nooooo.......you don't say

All of the cars are impressive, but I never bought an ///M on numbers, so whether or not I buy a car has NOTHING to do with its numbers.....it is all about the feel and enjoyment of the car, not to mention the balance. But again, how do you go wrong with ANY of the ///Ms mentioned here?.....you can't

Cheers,
e46e92

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by M-Power111

yes for all those calling the F10 souless i think this proves the F10 has a beautiful soul.

Not really, as this test neither proves or disproves that the F10 has a "soul".....you have completely missed the point of what people mean by a "soul". The "soul" of the car has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH the numbers.....regardless of whether you agree with the argument that a car does or does not have a "soul" has NOTHING to do with the numbers.


Cheers,
e46e92

[Zuzu]

[Originally Posted by Mr.Metak2you ]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Parker
BMW, if you are reading this, thank you for making my 1M. It's the best car I've owned.
I second this! And as some of you know, I've owned a string of M cars over the last 11years!

Originally Posted by Mdawood

I third this!!!!!

[M5007]

One hell of a line up

[Aussie_in_London]

I am new to M ownership, but this just once again proves why I made the right choice ditching GM products and moving 'up', just look at what is on offer in the M stables, and hell I would like to get my hands on the new M5, looks and performs spot on in my opinion, would make the perfect companion to my 1M in my garage

[vladberca]

1M might be the best performance/money M car, but every M model has something special to offer

[vladberca]

Curious if M6 GC will be faster than Panamera Turbo S
This is the big bet from BMW

[MDyDinanM]

Originally Posted by M5Dal

The E60 M5 is .2 slower to 60mph than the F10. I smell a rat and I just dont believe the 2 SUVs were faster. The F10 is criticized widely for lack of grip and frankly iI want to see a race driver do this test, not a magazine writer.

+1, I agree. I don't see how a X5/6 M can beat a e60 M5. Wonder what the skill levels of the driver were, or if driver error was involved.

Here's a straight line video of a e60 M5 Touring beating a X5 M

but who knows, maybe the X5/6Ms are better around corners than the e60?

[doug_999]

On a track that averages about a minute 40, with human drivers, the margin of error has to be at least half a second?

[skipshot19]

Figured the m5 would have beaten the turbo s...

[M-Power111]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

Not really, as this test neither proves or disproves that the F10 has a "soul".....you have completely missed the point of what people mean by a "soul". The "soul" of the car has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH the numbers.....regardless of whether you agree with the argument that a car does or does not have a "soul" has NOTHING to do with the numbers.


Cheers,
e46e92

i know, i just like to throw it in their face everytime the F10 performs well because any negative detail the F10 gets they are so quick to point out how the E60 is so much better and the F10 has no soul. though i do think the E60 and the F10 have different yet wonderful souls.

[turbo8765]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

Not really, as this test neither proves or disproves that the F10 has a "soul".....you have completely missed the point of what people mean by a "soul". The "soul" of the car has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH the numbers.....regardless of whether you agree with the argument that a car does or does not have a "soul" has NOTHING to do with the numbers.


Cheers,
e46e92

Exactly... The best example is a mazda miata. They're really not that fast, but they're a blast to drive. They have a ton of personality.

[turbo8765]

Originally Posted by mdyaman

+1, I agree. I don't see how a X5/6 M can beat a e60 M5. Wonder what the skill levels of the driver were, or if driver error was involved.

Here's a straight line video of a e60 M5 Touring beating a X5 M

but who knows, maybe the X5/6Ms are better around corners than the e60?

One thing to keep in mind is the X5/6 run enormous tires. If you were to put equally large tires on any of the other vehicles you would see a huge improvement.