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      11-27-2023, 01:00 PM   #5039
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Fiat currency based literally on nothing. Imaginary numbers that hold you and everyone else in the world under the control of central banking system controlled by .............

It's all made up, and they are "spending" money that doesn't exist and telling us that we are responsible for it.
Yes..bang on right. At the same time spreading a seemingly convincing outlook to the populist that they're 'doing the right thing' with crippling ta xes, as gblansten has already mentioned.
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Exposure to EV Demand Slowdown to Weigh on European Auto Suppliers
Thu 23 Nov, 2023
Fitch Ratings-London-23 November 2023: Slowing demand for electric vehicles (EVs) is increasing pressure on European automotive suppliers that have invested in the shift to new automotive technology, Fitch Ratings says. While near-term prospects have been dampened by consumer hesitation and market oversupply.
Automotive electrification in Europe and other large markets is slowing down due to still high EV prices as well as consumers’ concerns over ranges, charging and residual values. Rapid technology changes could mean that buyers may be able to purchase improved products with longer ranges for much lower prices in two-to-three years, while enjoying an expanded charging infrastructure.

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A.Want to run 1mil ice cars on fuel for a day ..buy $50 mil of fuel job done

B.Want to run 1mil ev cars on clean energy
Boy that'll be a f..kton of lithium and ev car purchase.. then a mega f..kton of Solar wind hydro whatever of investment in (so called) green power sources

Total investment ? 5Billion

Now you have to borrow that ie $50 mil v $5 bil or more

Any ideas which option to go for?
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      11-27-2023, 06:33 PM   #5042
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A.Want to run 1mil ice cars on fuel for a day ..buy $50 mil of fuel job done

B.Want to run 1mil ev cars on clean energy
Boy that'll be a f..kton of lithium and ev car purchase.. then a mega f..kton of Solar wind hydro whatever of investment in (so called) green power sources

Total investment ? 5Billion

Now you have to borrow that ie $50 mil v $5 bil or more

Any ideas which option to go for?
Don’t forget, you can acquire gasoline 24/7/365 (in a large majority of locations) and fillips are 5-8 minutes.

Ev charging with wind solar requires sunshine and wind. Neither are 24/7/365. Then there is the charge time…. They say you can always charge at home (with nighttime solar I guess Lol)
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Mega-Jolt: The Costs and Logistics of Plugging in EVs Are About to Become Supercharged
November 27, 2023
According to a California Energy Commission assessment, California will need more than 2.4 million public chargers to accommodate about 15.5 million electric cars, trucks, and buses by 2035.
The 2.4 million chargers would serve only half the registered vehicles in the state. Many more will be necessary to complete the second half of the transition, from 15.5 million EVs to more than 31 million EVs by mid-century.
By comparison, California now has about 11,000 gas stations, convenience stores, and other businesses that sell gasoline, which translates to about 110,000 individual gas nozzles, according to an estimate by Jeff Lenard, vice president of Strategic Industry Initiatives at the National Association of Convenience Stores. That means the transition from fossil fuels to electrons will require California to install at least 20 EV charging ports for every gas nozzle by 2035.
Analytics firm J.D. Power says that 20% of all EV drivers reported visiting a charger that did not or could not charge because it wasn’t working or there were long lines. The dissatisfaction rates ranged from 12% in the Cleveland-Akron-Canton area to 35% in South Florida.
The frustration seems to have no expiration date. And it includes a problem not caused to technology or economics but by human nature: vandalism. As Jonathan Levy, EVgo chief commercial officer, told the New York Times last year: “Where there’s a screen, there’s a baseball bat.”

https://www.realclearwire.com/articl...ed_995145.html

Who could have possibly predicted this? Everybody thinking clearly
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EV MARKET COULD BECOME THE ‘NEXT BIG FLOP’: ECONOMIST
November 28, 2023
First, EVs are not a realistic option for the majority of American families. According to recent research from CRES Forum, the average EV owner’s household income is over $100,000, which only equates to about 31% of U.S. households, and supply chain shortages have caused the prices of EVs to continue to rise.
Second, manufacturing batteries used in EVs is an endeavor monopolized by our primary adversary: the Chinese Communist Party. Not only do they dominate the supply of 21 of the 50 U.S.-designated critical minerals – many of which are essential for EV battery production – but they also control over 90% of the processing and refining supply chain capacity.
To reach the EV target set out by the International Energy Agency’s net-zero emissions plan, global demand for lithium and cobalt far exceeds global reserves – by over 200% and 400%, respectively.

Last, China’s economy is more than three times more carbon-intensive than the United States, meaning the production of EV battery components potentially outweighs the emission-reducing benefits they eventually provide. To put it plainly, U.S. EV regulations are putting our future in the hands of a hostile regime with very few environmental or labor protections, with little to no reduction in global carbon emissions to show for it.

By rewarding all emission reduction efforts rather than just EV purchases, we would be encouraging carbon removal and sequestration throughout the fuel production process. It would also ensure trade policies focus on life cycle emissions so we can actually achieve our goal of reducing global emissions – not just political priorities.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bide...duce-emissions

That last paragraph Is way too logical and obtainable for the Green Grift. It's never been about the environment has it? It's about forcing compliance, transfer of wealth and playing on peoples fears.
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Mega-Jolt: The Costs and Logistics of Plugging in EVs Are About to Become Supercharged
November 27, 2023
According to a California Energy Commission assessment, California will need more than 2.4 million public chargers to accommodate about 15.5 million electric cars, trucks, and buses by 2035.
The 2.4 million chargers would serve only half the registered vehicles in the state. Many more will be necessary to complete the second half of the transition, from 15.5 million EVs to more than 31 million EVs by mid-century.
By comparison, California now has about 11,000 gas stations, convenience stores, and other businesses that sell gasoline, which translates to about 110,000 individual gas nozzles, according to an estimate by Jeff Lenard, vice president of Strategic Industry Initiatives at the National Association of Convenience Stores. That means the transition from fossil fuels to electrons will require California to install at least 20 EV charging ports for every gas nozzle by 2035.
Analytics firm J.D. Power says that 20% of all EV drivers reported visiting a charger that did not or could not charge because it wasn’t working or there were long lines. The dissatisfaction rates ranged from 12% in the Cleveland-Akron-Canton area to 35% in South Florida.
The frustration seems to have no expiration date. And it includes a problem not caused to technology or economics but by human nature: vandalism. As Jonathan Levy, EVgo chief commercial officer, told the New York Times last year: “Where there’s a screen, there’s a baseball bat.”

https://www.realclearwire.com/articl...ed_995145.html

Who could have possibly predicted this? Everybody thinking clearly
This. EV charge is at 2-3% remaining arriving at charge point and easy to target screens in a dark corner of highway services are smashed by vandals who are growing more in numbers as the cost of living rises by each day.
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      11-28-2023, 10:22 AM   #5046
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New emissions rule forces states to set greenhouse gas reduction targets to receive federal highway funding
November 27, 2023
The day before Thanksgiving, ***** announced a new emissions rule that will effectively force states to set greenhouse gas reduction targets in order to receive federal highway funding.
“Every state has its own unique climate challenges, and every state ought to have the data, funding, and flexibility it needs to meet those challenges head on,” Butt***** said. “This new performance measure will provide states with a clear and consistent framework to track carbon pollution and the flexibility to set their own climate targets—which we will also help them meet with more than $27 billion in federal funding.

“As the ranking member of the Transportation and Infrastructure subcommittee, I was intimately involved in negotiating and passing the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. The committee specifically debated whether to grant [the Department of Transportation] this authority, and the Committee’s unanimously-passed bill chose not to include this poison pill,” Cramer stated, referring to the requirement for states to reduce emissions for federally funded highway projects.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/biden-...ighway-funding

So ICE drivers pay into the fund Highway Trust Fund from the federal excise tax on gasoline ($25.8 billion) and diesel fuel ($10.5 billion) accounts for 84 percent of the total of the fund.
Then this money is redistributed to the states based on their green compliance even though the legislation specifically excluded the quid pro quo. If you live in a rural area of the country, It sucks to be you.
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Nearly everything is bass ackwards. How can such incompetence keep being rewarded?

Argentina is going into "shock treatment" for their past idiocy. Our jagoffs probably want that new guy gone. Ya know, gone-gone. He's upsetting the chaos.
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Nearly everything is bass ackwards. How can such incompetence keep being rewarded?

Argentina is going into "shock treatment" for their past idiocy. Our jagoffs probably want that new guy gone. Ya know, gone-gone. He's upsetting the chaos.
I just told my sister the other we now live in a world overrun with assholes and idiots. If they’re not one they’re the other and sometimes they’re both.
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This is all just so stupid. We do need the EV option and it is part of the future, but all these regulators, politicians, and extreme environmentalists really have missed the mark here with putting all their eggs into the EV basket. It's not going to work.

The EV backtracking is gaining TONS of momentum as of recently. The mandates, etc. will soon be repealed. We absolutely do need to lean on industry to do better though, but that leaning needs to be on improving ICE efficiency, especially in the diesel heavy truck/vehicle side of things. The tech has not improved much in 30 years and the improvements are Band-Aid fixes which hurt reliability substantially.

I'm also fully supportive of gas guzzler taxation on heavier/larger/less fuel efficient trucks/SUVs for non-business as well has getting rid of the light truck CAFE loophole that auto manufactures take advantage of.

People should be able to buy what they want, but should get taxed more for it. Gas guzzler taxation should not be limited to passenger cars. We also don't need light trucks and SUVs with 400hp+ that can do 0-60 in the 5s or less. It's not necessary, pointless, and super wasteful in terms of mpgs. More importantly though, it makes absolutely no sense on why a full size truck today is 15%+ larger, 30%+ heavier, and 2X+ the power than a full size truck from the 1980s.

Where does this size madness end? Cars from the 1980s and 1990s were far more efficient in terms of MPGs. EVs are just as guilty too. Excessive power and excessive weight.
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When they announce something on the day before a major holiday you always know to grab your ankles and your wallet.

XutvJet: Too much logic and common sense, stop that!
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we now live in a world overrun with assholes and idiots.
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More than 3,000 auto dealers sign letter opposing electric vehicle mandate
A coalition of more than 3,000 auto dealers nationwide is sending an open letter to President, calling on him to "tap the brakes" on his administration's aggressive electric vehicle (EV) push.

The coalition — which includes dealers located in all 50 states and who collectively sell every major car brand — is taking particular aim at the administration's tailpipe emissions standards released earlier this year which are the most aggressive federal regulations of their kind ever issued. Under the regulations proposed by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the majority of new vehicle purchases will be electric within a decade.

Today, the supply of unsold BEVs is surging, as they are not selling nearly as fast as they are arriving at our dealerships -- even with deep price cuts, manufacturer incentives, and generous government incentives."

Gas-powered cars represented 93% of all new car sales in 2022, according to a report from the Alliance for Automotive Innovation. And EVs remain far more expensive and less efficient than alternatives.

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And the hits keep coming!

Governor withdraws electric vehicle mandate in stunning blow to environmentalists
Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont is withdrawing his plan to mandate future electric vehicle (EV) purchases after the proposal received bipartisan pushback from lawmakers on a key legislative panel.

Lamont ultimately pulled the proposal just four months after unveiling it and characterizing it as "decisive action to meet our climate pollution reduction targets." In July, Lamont unveiled the proposal, tethering Connecticut's emissions standards to those set in California, which mandates that every passenger vehicle sold is electric by 2035, the most aggressive target of its kind nationwide.

"Common sense has prevailed," Connecticut Senate Leader said in a statement. "The Governor’s decision to withdraw the regulations is a reasoned approach to address the growing concerns raised by working and middle-class families.

"There are too many questions regarding the capacity of our electric grid, the cost and location of grid improvements, and the negative impact on urban, rural and working poor families," Kelly added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...86c41530&ei=10

Christmas is coming early to people with some common sense.
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And the hits keep coming!

Governor withdraws electric vehicle mandate in stunning blow to environmentalists
Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont is withdrawing his plan to mandate future electric vehicle (EV) purchases after the proposal received bipartisan pushback from lawmakers on a key legislative panel.

Lamont ultimately pulled the proposal just four months after unveiling it and characterizing it as "decisive action to meet our climate pollution reduction targets." In July, Lamont unveiled the proposal, tethering Connecticut's emissions standards to those set in California, which mandates that every passenger vehicle sold is electric by 2035, the most aggressive target of its kind nationwide.

"Common sense has prevailed," Connecticut Senate Leader said in a statement. "The Governor’s decision to withdraw the regulations is a reasoned approach to address the growing concerns raised by working and middle-class families.

"There are too many questions regarding the capacity of our electric grid, the cost and location of grid improvements, and the negative impact on urban, rural and working poor families," Kelly added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...86c41530&ei=10

Christmas is coming early to people with some common sense.
Slowly but surely it's all going feet up for the 'earth savers'.
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Slowly but surely it's all going feet up for the 'earth savers'.
Hey, just because the dumb dumb in power can't see the forest for the tree doesn't mean 'earth savers' are feet up. EV is a tree in an forest of solutions to solving global warming and climate change, yet all the other trees just aren't the 'money' tree that EV is.

Common sense is what sounds like is coming back.
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Hey, just because the dumb dumb in power can't see the forest for the tree doesn't mean 'earth savers' are feet up. EV is a tree in an forest of solutions to solving global warming and climate change, yet all the other trees just aren't the 'money' tree that EV is.

Common sense is what sounds like is coming back.
Sure . As I said, slowly but surely.
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Consumer Reports pummels EV reliability, says hybrids have significantly fewer problems
That’s the bottom line from Consumer Reports’ eagerly anticipated annual reliability survey.
Unlike those bad old days, though, the culprits are advanced electronics, not oil leaks and faulty transmissions.
EVs in model years 2021-24 suffered about twice as many reliability problems as internal combustion engines, or ICE, according to CR’s survey of about 70,000 vehicles.
The five least reliable vehicle categories, from bad to worse, are:
Electric cars
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Full-size pickups
Midsize pickups
Electric pickups
EVs have 79% more problems than ICE vehicles, according to CR’s survey. CR excludes problems with commercial CD fast chargers from the report. They’re an infrastructure issue, but they’re also another reason many buyers are reluctant to commit to EVs.
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Consumer Reports pummels EV reliability, says hybrids have significantly fewer problems
That’s the bottom line from Consumer Reports’ eagerly anticipated annual reliability survey.
Unlike those bad old days, though, the culprits are advanced electronics, not oil leaks and faulty transmissions.
EVs in model years 2021-24 suffered about twice as many reliability problems as internal combustion engines, or ICE, according to CR’s survey of about 70,000 vehicles.
The five least reliable vehicle categories, from bad to worse, are:
Electric cars
Electric SUVs
Full-size pickups
Midsize pickups
Electric pickups
EVs have 79% more problems than ICE vehicles, according to CR’s survey. CR excludes problems with commercial CD fast chargers from the report. They’re an infrastructure issue, but they’re also another reason many buyers are reluctant to commit to EVs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/consumer-reports-pummels-ev-reliability-says-hybrids-have-significantly-fewer-problems/ar-AA1ktJU4e?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=1fca35255b59 48c2ff156d5c3380a0d4&ei=6
Yet another strike against EV's whatever the shape, unreliable as mentioned in this report, can lose power and switch off for no apparent reason, hazardous to remove on flatbed truck when in an accident or breakdown, EV quietness dangerous to street playing children, huge depreciation and now some insurance companies don't want to know because of high incineration risk and those that do are upping the premiums to an unacceptable level and charge distance is reduced the colder it gets.
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Yet another strike against EV's whatever the shape, unreliable as mentioned in this report, can lose power and switch off for no apparent reason, hazardous to remove on flatbed truck when in an accident or breakdown, EV quietness dangerous to street playing children, huge depreciation and now some insurance companies don't want to know because of high incineration risk and those that do are upping the premiums to an unacceptable level and charge distance is reduced the colder it gets.
I am coming up on a bit over eleven months since getting my Tesla and I am still learning new things about the car. Lots of cool features and technology.

I didn't know that I could add stealthy child massacres to that list. Thanks for the heads up though. The car never ceases to amaze me.
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Consumer reports EV's 80% less reliable than ICE.

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