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      04-28-2019, 08:25 AM   #45
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I am sure it was , Miami Beach is off the hook ... right ?
The free buses came in handy and we visited the massive Bramar BMW dealer.I've never seen such a big dealer just floors and floors of cars but guess what there were no M5 f10's left for sale at the time.All sold out like hot cakes.
Yes and they really mark them up high ... bought mine further north on BMW of Pembroke Pines ... more reasonable

Now inventory yes , Braman has it all
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      04-28-2019, 09:24 AM   #46
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i don't like this thread at all!!!!

i'm not talking crap at all bc i pray nothing like that happens to me as this car brings me much enjoyment but there is such a thing as babying too much.
-if you dont use it you lose it

i do know getting down hard on a high perf car is recommended bc it blows carbon out, and well... its a hi perf car and was made to boogie.

i baby mine in the sense that it stays immaculate and dry and fresh oil and fluids and hign dollar gas and letting it warm up and cool down as best i know how as well as keeping my oil temp at the first mark ~185° at alk times while driving but when she is ready, its rock 'n roll time

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i don't like this thread at all!!!!

i'm not talking crap at all bc i pray nothing like that happens to me as this car brings me much enjoyment but there is such a thing as babying too much.
-if you dont use it you lose it

i do know getting down hard on a high perf car is recommended bc it blows carbon out and well its a hi perf car and it was made to boogie.

i baby mine in the sense that it stays immaculate and dry and fresh oil and fluids and hign dollar gas and letting it warm up and cool down as best i know how as well as keeping my oil temp at the first mark ~185° while driving but when it gets there, its rock 'n roll time
What i mean by babied : don't track it , don't hit it when cold ... but I use it like an M5 I just don't abuse it ...

Regardless if you are pushing it hard every single day , I doubt that it would be beneficial ... and make engine last longer ...
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      04-28-2019, 11:51 AM   #48
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Porsche have their own weak engine timing shaft bearing problem in some engines but hey..give up on M? not on your nelly.I'd rather take the bus than drive any other. M FOREVER
Yeah but my 911 won't tank in value over the years like my M.
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Yeah but my 911 won't tank in value over the years like my M.
My Porsche is going up in value also but I don't think of the M as an investment in the same way as the former, even so if someone wants an M then they're not going to get my one for a song as I plan to keep it a long time.
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      04-28-2019, 01:56 PM   #50
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My Porsche is going up in value also but I don't think of the M as an investment in the same way as the former, even so if someone wants an M then they're not going to get my one for a song as I plan to keep it a long time.
No car is should be looked at as an investment. They are made to drive. For BMWs however, the smart thing to do is lease new or buy CPO and give it up before your warranty coverage runs out.

Having to shell out $47K for an engine is not a smart move for a car that will be worth a brick by comparison.
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      04-28-2019, 02:15 PM   #51
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Man this sounds brutal but I hear you. Best to get a blackstone analysis every oil change

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Most likely rod bearing failure on OP's original post. Oil pump failures are quite rare. BMW replaced all defective pumps from 2012.

If it were me and I had an M5/M6 past 50,000 miles, I would just go ahead and do a rod bearing change with the ones that Troy Jeup or Steve Dinan uses on his Carbahn motors.

This will most likely ensure greater peace of mind for owners. The fact is that the S63tu still faces the same engineering design flaw as the S85 motors, BMW really doesn't care to build these engines with better reliability in mind, they want you to buy a new M5 when your warranty is up on your old M5. And I'm pretty sure that BMW is still using the same rod bearings from the S63tu F10 M5 in the S63tu4 in the F90 M5. The F90's suffer the same fates in a few years time as well.
It is brutal. BMW doesn't care about long term ownership. In fact it's a great deal for BMW franchise dealerships and their service departments who rake in millions of dollars every year because of poorly designed BMW parts. Rod bearings in ///M cars being one of them.
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No car is should be looked at as an investment. They are made to drive. For BMWs however, the smart thing to do is lease new or buy CPO and give it up before your warranty coverage runs out.

Having to shell out $47K for an engine is not a smart move for a car that will be worth a brick by comparison.
At least your one was covered just but yeah it would be a hammer blow if the cover would have fell outside it.I've never leased and have no intention to as I want to actually own the car and buyers get only what they pay for.
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      04-28-2019, 06:44 PM   #53
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Have you dealt with him to be so drastic ?? 1 or 2 complaints won't scare me ... haven't seen 1 complaint yet where an engine he built failed and that's what I want a bulletproof engine at a fair price . I don't need all the theater around a high overhead builder to pass on to me...so I end up paying $20k for a build .

You sound like you are his competition ...
Nope. Just a person who has heard multiple complaints over multiple boards. So I posted
links so people can make an informed decision. If you bothered to notice when I posted the links I gave NO opinion on what any one should or should not do.
I got you !! All good !
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The town in the UK indeed.
Been looking at the F10, surprised at this issue - did the engine overheat?
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The town in the UK indeed.
Been looking at the F10, surprised at this issue - did the engine overheat?
No signs whatsoever until engine die ...
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The town in the UK indeed.
Been looking at the F10, surprised at this issue - did the engine overheat?
No signs whatsoever until engine die ...
What a nightmare so is everyone getting oil pumps replaced as a precaution?

I assume the the heads aren't quite strong enough for the boost either since leaks are showing up and the car is consuming oil... designed for lease not brand excellence I guess. My father in law was a limo driver for a Manhattan big wig, he drove a 750iL - same thing, drinking oil.
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What a nightmare so is everyone getting oil pumps replaced as a precaution?

I assume the the heads aren't quite strong enough for the boost either since leaks are showing up and the car is consuming oil... designed for lease not brand excellence I guess. My father in law was a limo driver for a Manhattan big wig, he drove a 750iL - same thing, drinking oil.
Same probs on the E93's also,rod bearings and throttle actuators can empty the bank balance somewhat.
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I'm at about 95,000 miles now... No problems at the moment. I have more engine issues on a lower mileage Civic and Toyota.

I mean, yeah - reading posts like this is concerning... But out of 19,500 m5's built a handful of cases is nothing.

Sorry to hear about your car, OP. Thanks for posting about it to the rest of us. I'd like to know what oil you were using.
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What a nightmare so is everyone getting oil pumps replaced as a precaution?

I assume the the heads aren't quite strong enough for the boost either since leaks are showing up and the car is consuming oil... designed for lease not brand excellence I guess. My father in law was a limo driver for a Manhattan big wig, he drove a 750iL - same thing, drinking oil.
Same probs on the E93's also,rod bearings and throttle actuators can empty the bank balance somewhat.
Mostly down to aftermarket supercharging on the M3, the M5 is supposed to be designed for that power.
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I'm on 46k miles now and have one of the early m5s. I'm not sure if mine was affected by the oil pump issue but there are no outstanding recalls. Would it be wise to replace the bearing shells as a precaution?
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Mostly down to aftermarket supercharging on the M3, the M5 is supposed to be designed for that power.
As the a/market superchargers on E93's,tunes and mods may exacerbate a weakness on M5 if it is there over a period of time especially if driven hard regularly.Affected oil pumps were replaced on approx 650 US models back in 2012.
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I'm at about 95,000 miles now... No problems at the moment. I have more engine issues on a lower mileage Civic and Toyota.

I mean, yeah - reading posts like this is concerning... But out of 19,500 m5's built a handful of cases is nothing.

Sorry to hear about your car, OP. Thanks for posting about it to the rest of us. I'd like to know what oil you were using.
I'll trade you BMW ///M engine issues for Civic and Toyota engine issues.
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I'm at about 95,000 miles now... No problems at the moment. I have more engine issues on a lower mileage Civic and Toyota.

I mean, yeah - reading posts like this is concerning... But out of 19,500 m5's built a handful of cases is nothing.

Sorry to hear about your car, OP. Thanks for posting about it to the rest of us. I'd like to know what oil you were using.
Troy Jeup told me yesterday that it's unfortunate but he is receiving messages and phone calls every other day about an f10 m5's engine that seized ... its more common than people think apparently and only a handful of those cases are brought here to the forums ...
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Troy Jeup told me yesterday that it's unfortunate but he is receiving messages and phone calls every other day about an f10 m5's engine that seized ... its more common than people think apparently and only a handful of those cases are brought here to the forums ...
Did he really say "seized" as in a locked up engine or just engine failure of some sort like rod bearings or bent rods?
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Troy Jeup told me yesterday that it's unfortunate but he is receiving messages and phone calls every other day about an f10 m5's engine that seized ... its more common than people think apparently and only a handful of those cases are brought here to the forums ...
Did he really say "seized" as in a locked up engine or just engine failure of some sort like rod bearings or bent rods?
I am sending car up to Troy on Friday so nobody has opened up the engine yet , he will let me know ...
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I did a quick search on Troy and would be careful. I hope it all works out for the best for you OP.

For everyone else whatever Troy is saying I would listen in one ear and out the other. He's in the business of rebuilding engines of course he gonna say that. That's his income and his job. He's a salesperson just as much as a engine builder.
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