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      04-17-2017, 06:55 PM   #23
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KW V3 is too much money for the type of driving I'm going to do (no track). Jealous, though!

Seems like youre running out of mods to do lol. You have almost everything.
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KW V3 is too much money for the type of driving I'm going to do (no track). Jealous, though!

Seems like youre running out of mods to do lol. You have almost everything.
Nonsense! There are always more mods! Haha
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Finally installed kw and dinan. Set kw to highest setting (.6 front and .2 rear)
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Finally installed kw and dinan. Set kw to highest setting (.6 front and .2 rear)
Looks awesome. How is the ride? Any appreciable difference? Does it feel like you are always in "sport" or "sport plus" mode versus "comfort"?
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I moved from Dinan coils and roll bars to KW V3. Definitely better, I'm still experimenting with bump and rebound settings. I run the roll bars full hard

It's a CP car
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Looks awesome. How is the ride? Any appreciable difference? Does it feel like you are always in "sport" or "sport plus" mode versus "comfort"?
I have the front sway set to stiffest setting and rear at medium. Ride quality is great! No squeaks, no bounciness, and not saggy. I have them set high then will lower more as I get used to them.

I didnt notice too much of the shift to 'sport+' as I still retain EDC. It is firmer and steering response improved, and the cornering is definitely better, but stock was pretty good, I would say--the difference between kw/dinan and stock isnt out of this world, but is noticeable. The reason I say this is because it makes the car a little more nimble, it doesnt transform it into a Porsche (not that that was what I was expecting). Some of the reviews I've read on springs and/or sways were exaggerated

All in all, I am very satisfied with the install and would recommend to any enthusiast.
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It is firmer and steering response improved, and the cornering is definitely better, but stock was pretty good, I would say--the difference between kw/dinan and stock isnt out of this world, but is noticeable. The reason I say this is because it makes the car a little more nimble, it doesnt transform it into a Porsche (not that that was what I was expecting). Some of the reviews I've read on springs and/or sways were exaggerated
This is interesting to me because I too have read those reviews from other forum members and have wondered if there was some exaggeration going on. And I know you have a non-comp pack car, where the difference would be more noticeable. So for you to say this caught my attention. I have the comp pack car and I am on the verge of pulling the trigger on these dinan sway bars. But now my suspicions of there only being a de minimis benifit have resurfaced. I know the comp pack sways, which have a different part number from the standard sways, are stiffer than the standard. I already have the KW springs and have taken my M5 to the track 3 times so far. It handles fantastic for a 4400lb sedan (I had a session of follow the leader with a CLS 63 AMG and the guy couldn't catch me let alone pass me), but there was still noticeable body roll. So I wonder if the upgrade to the dinans, which should help with this, is even worth the expense. After all, you can only do so much for a big sedan such as the F10 M5.
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Finally installed kw and dinan. Set kw to highest setting (.6 front and .2 rear)
Looks good! From this distance it looks perfect, even though on the highest setting.
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Blkthght, trust your gut and pass. I don't have either, but I don't think there is a huge difference between comp and dinan bars, especially on a car of this heft.
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I have moved form CP > Dinan Colis and roll bars at the same time, then on to KW V3

A few things to point out an accurate set up will make the car drive and feel much better, the rear left on my car was within spec but out of alignment marginally and you could feel it under power. I said before the alignment and suspension change it felt a little soft on the left rear. It felt to me like different damper settings (obviously not, just minor alignment)

The stock car for me looks too saloon and high, my car is 10-12mm lower than standard CP settings, you can't do that without springs

I am personally a fan of roll bars and the feel they add to weight transition. The CP car was okay in this respect the Dinan rolls improve this, however I can't compare directly as the Dinan coils and ride heights were changed at the same time. I run my bars full hard and it rolls very little, but it still feels like an M5, just tighter and a little sharper.

I was okay with the Dinan set up but it was noticeably more compliant at the front. The Dinan coils I believe are softer than the CP springs at the front. I might measure to confirm out of curiosity !

Moving to the V3 was the best move, the car is much closer to how I want it to feel, much more accurate to 'point' the car and stay in line and it doesn't feel 'perched' or floaty, which it did for me at speed and in big sweepers. I have increase the front rebound one setting over recommended settings and have tried a few other things, like doing the same at the back, I have tried a number of different bump settings too. But the best combination I can find is recommended plus one more rebound at the front.

I am running 15mm spacers all round, I think 12mm all round felt the best, so increasing wheel width to keep the stance but not have such a change in offest I think will improve the feel a little (this is marginally only)

The quality of damping is fundamental to how the M5 feels it's heavy and big and needs to feel small and manoeuvrable, the V3's do this very well (I prefer Bilsteins, but they don't do a kit)

I run Sport+ on the steering and sport or comfort on the throttle, I used to run sport + on the dampers before KW V3's were fitted. I am pretty happy now, I would like the steering to feel more informative and have a little more feel (Much better than stock, but it's no 911)

I had a test drive in an M2 a few weeks back, wow they look great in the flesh don't they ?
I drove it and thought the engine was good but a little harsh and boring, the steering felt too light and the suspension soft. It tracked well and was easy to place but...

I got back in my M5, wow feels much more planted, sounds way better, goes way better !

What was I thinking !!!!
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Thanks man! I am going to have to pull the trigger on the KW HAS. Car looks killer and silver stone is the best color
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Blkthght, trust your gut and pass. I don't have either, but I don't think there is a huge difference between comp and dinan bars, especially on a car of this heft.
Yeah man. I think I'm gonna pass on the Dinan sways. The comp pack sways and kw has springs are more than enough for this car. Of course Dinan would be better. But taking into consideration the experiences of people who installed them like House and Carrera, it just reinforces my suspicion that I would only get a modest benefit from this upgrade, one that I would really only appreciate on an infrequent track day. I'll put that $1300 toward something I should've done awhile ago, an exhaust.
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Yeah man. I think I'm gonna pass on the Dinan sways. The comp pack sways and kw has springs are more than enough for this car. Of course Dinan would be better. But taking into consideration the experiences of people who installed them like House and Carrera, it just reinforces my suspicion that I would only get a modest benefit from this upgrade, one that I would really only appreciate on an infrequent track day. I'll put that $1300 toward something I should've done awhile ago, an exhaust.
good move, you will get much more satisfaction from an exhaust than sway bars (especially if you already have comp).
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A better angle. I'm looking forward to dropping one more notch (or two).

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It is firmer and steering response improved, and the cornering is definitely better, but stock was pretty good, I would say--the difference between kw/dinan and stock isnt out of this world, but is noticeable. The reason I say this is because it makes the car a little more nimble, it doesnt transform it into a Porsche (not that that was what I was expecting). Some of the reviews I've read on springs and/or sways were exaggerated
This is interesting to me because I too have read those reviews from other forum members and have wondered if there was some exaggeration going on. And I know you have a non-comp pack car, where the difference would be more noticeable. So for you to say this caught my attention. I have the comp pack car and I am on the verge of pulling the trigger on these dinan sway bars. But now my suspicions of there only being a de minimis benifit have resurfaced. I know the comp pack sways, which have a different part number from the standard sways, are stiffer than the standard. I already have the KW springs and have taken my M5 to the track 3 times so far. It handles fantastic for a 4400lb sedan (I had a session of follow the leader with a CLS 63 AMG and the guy couldn't catch me let alone pass me), but there was still noticeable body roll. So I wonder if the upgrade to the dinans, which should help with this, is even worth the expense. After all, you can only do so much for a big sedan such as the F10 M5.
I had a non-comp and it was a noticeable difference. I drove a few comp cars and the owners drove mine and said there is a major difference for them. I wouldn't say it's exaggeration, it's just that you'll have diff opinions.

Personally, I feel the stock suspension on these cars are amazing. The only issue I had was the body roll which was greatly reduced and almost non existent when I did the sways. Mostly why I recommend that everyone go with the sways first if all you do is DD. I feel like that fixes the majority of the issues we have with the car. I did go Dinan suspension because of the deal I got and the beautiful stance.
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I had a non-comp and it was a noticeable difference. I drove a few comp cars and the owners drove mine and said there is a major difference for them. I wouldn't say it's exaggeration, it's just that you'll have diff opinions.

Personally, I feel the stock suspension on these cars are amazing. The only issue I had was the body roll which was greatly reduced and almost non existent when I did the sways. Mostly why I recommend that everyone go with the sways first if all you do is DD. I feel like that fixes the majority of the issues we have with the car. I did go Dinan suspension because of the deal I got and the beautiful stance.
What settings were you on? I went stiffest up front and medium in the back.
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I had a non-comp and it was a noticeable difference. I drove a few comp cars and the owners drove mine and said there is a major difference for them. I wouldn't say it's exaggeration, it's just that you'll have diff opinions.

Personally, I feel the stock suspension on these cars are amazing. The only issue I had was the body roll which was greatly reduced and almost non existent when I did the sways. Mostly why I recommend that everyone go with the sways first if all you do is DD. I feel like that fixes the majority of the issues we have with the car. I did go Dinan suspension because of the deal I got and the beautiful stance.
What settings were you on? I went stiffest up front and medium in the back.
Stiffest front and middle setting rear
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Stiffest front and middle setting rear
I have just spent three days on a car trip over lovely roads in North Wales, dabbling with a McLaren 675LT and 911. The issue I had at the start was the lack of control and balance on the limit as the car broke away it was usually quite out of shape and showing its weight. The balance still too heavy on the front with understeer and this is with full hard on the rear Dinan roll bars

I have experimented a lot with bump and rebound front and rear and now achieved a superb chassis balance. It stays in shape at the limit and the break away is balanced so a great deal higher and you can control the car when you break away easily under throttle

I now also run a higher rebound ratio and have increased the rear bump settings higher than the front to keep the nose tight

At normal driving speeds it feels dramatically better too, much better turn in and much more planted. The only thing I'd like to do is add a little more front camber but can only do this with a lot of expense

With stock suspension why are you running stiffer front and only medium rear, the car must feel understeer as you near the limit ?
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@TheHouseWon Looks good, man. The HAS will eventually squeek, so give it a few months. It's inevitable due to it's design. Everyone has the squeek, and if they say they don't, they just aren't hearing it, but it's there!

Definitely drop it a bit more, and I recommend the 12MM f/r, or shoot me a text and I can get you a nice deal on some forged wheels.

Keep those mods coming, brother -- you've gotta catch up

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@TheHouseWon Looks good, man. The HAS will eventually squeek, so give it a few months. It's inevitable due to it's design. Everyone has the squeek, and if they say they don't, they just aren't hearing it, but it's there!

Definitely drop it a bit more, and I recommend the 12MM f/r, or shoot me a text and I can get you a nice deal on some forged wheels.

Keep those mods coming, brother -- you've gotta catch up

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Thanks... I finally heard the squeak yesterday after going through some bumpy city streets (where are my tax dollars going?!). I have 10 front /12 rear mm spacers.

Does anyone know if it easy to adjust the spring's height? I had them installed by a shop and they said to take off the wheel then use the spanner wrench. That's Greek to me... I guess I will have to RTFM.
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@TheHouseWon Looks good, man. The HAS will eventually squeek, so give it a few months. It's inevitable due to it's design. Everyone has the squeek, and if they say they don't, they just aren't hearing it, but it's there!

Definitely drop it a bit more, and I recommend the 12MM f/r, or shoot me a text and I can get you a nice deal on some forged wheels.

Keep those mods coming, brother -- you've gotta catch up

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Thanks... I finally heard the squeak yesterday after going through some bumpy city streets (where are my tax dollars going?!). I have 10 front /12 rear mm spacers.

Does anyone know if it easy to adjust the spring's height? I had them installed by a shop and they said to take off the wheel then use the spanner wrench. That's Greek to me... I guess I will have to RTFM.
If you raise it up high enough you don't have to take the wheels off, but it's easier. You need a spanner wrench, which KW doesn't include with the HAS.
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If you raise it up high enough you don't have to take the wheels off, but it's easier. You need a spanner wrench, which KW doesn't include with the HAS.
Cool. I have the spanner wrench but have no idea how to use it. I guess I have to read a bit or find it on youtube
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