My F10 M5's engine seized w / 70k miles

[E93M3ofSFL]

As the title says my 2013 m5's engine needs to be replaced/rebuilt .... no warnings at all , no oil leaks ...

No abuse , not aggressive driving ! Never tracked ! Always maintained properly at BMw of Pembroke Pines in Florida ...

Bought It CPO almost 4 years ago ... and now out of warranty !!!

Is this fair ??? Any recommendations? Is this becoming more common on f10 m5s with these kind of mileage ?

Read that other people are having same kind of issues ...

[G-M5]

Did dealership say why it seized? Things just dont happen. Something must have caused it.

[euklid]

Mine seized last month, also the same story, very well looked after, tracked only once last year and seized on me on the middle of the road a couple of hundred meters away from my house. 67k miles. I had warranty by motorangel but decided to sell the car and got 12k for it. The warranty wanted to strip the engine apart at my cost(1-2k) and then decide if they will cover the component(not the whole engine) so I thought it would be too much hassle with an added stressful risk on whether they will cover it or not so decided to just take the money on offer.

[Nikolov]

Have you replaced your rod bearings? If not, that would be my bet at 70k miles.

[M5Rick]

Timing chain snapping could bring a sudden stop also.

[euklid]

BMW engineer that inspected the car, the moment we tried to turn the engine and it wouldn't, told me that pre-LCI M5 cars have a faulty oil pump. When he called his manager at the BMW dealership, the service manager also confirmed the issue with the oil pump and told me that BMW does not officially recognise it but they actually did me the favour to write up a report for my warranty that stated it in black & white.

[euklid]

The town in the UK indeed.

[E93M3ofSFL]

Originally Posted by euklid

Mine seized last month, also the same story, very well looked after, tracked only once last year and seized on me on the middle of the road a couple of hundred meters away from my house. 67k miles. I had warranty by motorangel but decided to sell the car and got 12k for it. The warranty wanted to strip the engine apart at my cost(1-2k) and then decide if they will cover the component(not the whole engine) so I thought it would be too much hassle with an added stressful risk on whether they will cover it or not so decided to just take the money on offer.

Like I said , this seems to be a common problem now around this mileage (70k) .

I decided to send car over to Troy Jeup up in Michigan to do a complete rebuild .... Spoke to him and gave me an estimate for a bulletproof engine with 700hp /700tq ... I could have done it cheaper but I think he is the right guy ...

If it was the oil pump at least it should have given me a sign or a sensor should have came up ... not a single thing on the dashboard ...

I wasn't aware that also M5 had rod bearing issues ... we also have in the house a 2008 M3 e93 w 75k miles on it and runs great ... will do oil analysis soon ....

[E93M3ofSFL]

Originally Posted by G-M5

Did dealership say why it seized? Things just dont happen. Something must have caused it.

The problem is that it would cost around $2k to open engine and find out , and you would have to re do engine no matter what most likely ...

It's really like a joke that this can happen at anytime on cars that costed around $100k new , and are supposed to be with the latest technology and reliability.

I babied this car and this is what i get ? At least I am happy I found Troy since now I will get something exciting back ... but it still hurts to me being a father of 5 kids with big expenses every month ....

[E93M3ofSFL]

Originally Posted by euklid

Mine seized last month, also the same story, very well looked after, tracked only once last year and seized on me on the middle of the road a couple of hundred meters away from my house. 67k miles. I had warranty by motorangel but decided to sell the car and got 12k for it. The warranty wanted to strip the engine apart at my cost(1-2k) and then decide if they will cover the component(not the whole engine) so I thought it would be too much hassle with an added stressful risk on whether they will cover it or not so decided to just take the money on offer.

I guess all 3rd party warranties work like that ... that's also a rip off ... they should at least cover engine , transmission and axels with no questions asked ...

How much did you pay for that warranty if you don't mind sharing that

[M5Rick]

From what I can see S63TT engines manufactured from July 19 2012 through to September 11 2012 were subjected to a manufacturing process error where the oil pump shaft could separate from the oil pump rotor and those affected should have been recalled for no charge pump replacement.
Mine is a January 2013

[E93M3ofSFL]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

From what I can see S63TT engines manufactured from July 19 2012 through to September 11 2012 were subjected to a manufacturing process error where the oil pump shaft could separate from the oil pump rotor and those affected should have been recalled for no charge pump replacement.
Mine is a January 2013

I also read some of the new f90's M5s are getting fried as well ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by E93M3ofSFL

I also read some of the new f90's M5s are getting fried as well ...

Probably the first ones out but surely not the same technical mistake again

[E93M3ofSFL]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Probably the first ones out but surely not the same mistake technical again

I hope ...

[AddyDaddy]

Originally Posted by E93M3ofSFL

As the title says my 2013 m5's engine needs to be replaced/rebuilt .... no warnings at all , no oil leaks ...

No abuse , not aggressive driving ! Never tracked ! Always maintained properly at BMw of Pembroke Pines in Florida ...

Bought It CPO almost 4 years ago ... and now out of warranty !!!

Is this fair ??? Any recommendations? Is this becoming more common on f10 m5s with these kind of mileage ?

Read that other people are having same kind of issues ...

That sucks
What's your warranty co name? I'm in west palm and did "easy care" thru bmw Braman. Sorry about your loss. Kinda freaks me out that this is happening to people

[E93M3ofSFL]

Originally Posted by AddyDaddy

That sucks
What's your warranty co name? I'm in west palm and did "easy care" thru bmw Braman. Sorry about your loss. Kinda freaks me out that this is happening to people

My car was cpo and after that expired about 6 month ago ... I never did get warranty unfortunately but at this point I don't know if it would work looking at fellow here on the thread saying they would not cover the whole engine ... new engine from BMW would be around $40-$45k installed

I am in Miami Beach by the way ...

[94jedi]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

From what I can see S63TT engines manufactured from July 19 2012 through to September 11 2012 were subjected to a manufacturing process error where the oil pump shaft could separate from the oil pump rotor and those affected should have been recalled for no charge pump replacement.
Mine is a January 2013

how do you know the manufacture date? or are you just going by the general build date?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by 94jedi

how do you know the manufacture date? or are you just going by the general build date?

19 UK cars are/were affected and about 650 US cars also.
Bulletins were from Bimmerpost and Piston Heads.
I recommend to contact supplying dealer now if your
build date falls within these time parameters and it HASN'T
been done.

[euklid]

Originally Posted by E93M3ofSFL

I guess all 3rd party warranties work like that ... that's also a rip off ... they should at least cover engine , transmission and axels with no questions asked ...

How much did you pay for that warranty if you don't mind sharing that

I was paying £92 a month for Plan A cover from motoreasy. Never used it once the 19 months I had the car. The first year I was paying £99 per month.

No indication came to me either, nothing, the car just shut down and refused to start again. It was also impossible to put it into neutral and a total nightmare to load and offload with park mode engaged.

I am now thinking of getting the M3 or the C63 AMG but neither ticks all my boxes and the family(3 kids) misses the M5 and they do not like the M3 option.

I am not keen on getting the same car without trying something else, so I might go with Audi RS4 or 6. I really would like something smaller and more nimble so the prospect of having just a weekend car(911, R8, M3/4 competition) and use the family car(C4) for everyday is looking better by the minute.

decisions..decisions..

[mister2d]

Originally Posted by E93M3ofSFL

Like I said , this seems to be a common problem now around this mileage (70k) .

I decided to send car over to Troy Jeup up in Michigan to do a complete rebuild .... Spoke to him and gave me an estimate for a bulletproof engine with 700hp /700tq ... I could have done it cheaper but I think he is the right guy ...

If it was the oil pump at least it should have given me a sign or a sensor should have came up ... not a single thing on the dashboard ...

I wasn't aware that also M5 had rod bearing issues ... we also have in the house a 2008 M3 e93 w 75k miles on it and runs great ... will do oil analysis soon ....

My engine had to be replaced as well in 2018-Dec. If I recall, I was around 78K miles and it is a 2013 M5. Although mine didn't seize, the rod bearings failed. Fortunately it failed right before the CPO warranty expired and the dealer took care of it right away without hassle.

It's very possible that the early M5s had some sort of defect.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by mister2d

My engine had to be replaced as well in 2018-Dec. If I recall, I was around 78K miles and it is a 2013 M5. Although mine didn't seize, the rod bearings failed. Fortunately it failed right before the CPO warranty expired and the dealer took care of it right away without hassle.

It's very possible that the early M5s had some sort of defect.

Lci's have non forged rod bearings and it can happen to them also.

[mister2d]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Lci's have non forged rod bearings and it can happen to them also.

Well...heres to another 78k.

Likely the last BMW I buy. I'll either lease another and give it up at the end or just stay with Porsche. Just too risky to own a modern ///M.